The anti-drag law lost on all fronts. "[L]aws infringing on the Freedom of Speech must be narrow and well-defined." This "is neither," the Trump appointee ruled.
When these laws started popping up I wondered how it was possible that I could take my small child to see "50 Shades of Gray" at the movies but not "As You Like It" at the theater...
Thanks for moderating Chris. I generally love reading the comments section here because it’s mainly people making thoughtful points, whether or not they agree. I hope the trolls won’t mess up this forum. There’s a reason I’m long gone from FB.
Yeah, but now that perhaps heads to SCOTUS, where bad actors in our democracy will show that John Adams himself would not...blah blah blah...drivel... and decide this law is in fact constitutional. Which nobody will understand, because it is unconstitutional.
Bravo Judge!. Makes me wonder about the constitutionality of those abortion restriction statutes that have the "exception" of "necessary to save the life of the mother." If medical professionals cannot tell what exactly that statutory wording means, surely the term "overbroad" applies.
I feel confident the law was not intended to pass (the poison pills were too obvious, especially to lawmakers), as the Republicans are more libertarian than ever - but rather to send a message.
And everyone please remember that Flip Wilson/Geraldine .. not to mention Milton Berle, was popular family entertainment, as were all minstrel acts - this is not a sudden prejudice - but a backlash against the intrusion into their personal space by other people's pronouns. Drag Queens are only rarely trans or otherwise confused about their sex and gender - some of the most famous were heterosexual straights. So it isn't even the Drag Queen's battle - they were dragged into it.
How many of Shakespeare's plays include gender impersonation?
"Twelfth Night": This comedy revolves around a pair of twins, Viola and Sebastian. Viola disguises herself as a man named Cesario and becomes entangled in a web of mistaken identities and romantic complications.
"As You Like It": In this play, the character Rosalind disguises herself as a young man named Ganymede, allowing her to explore her romantic feelings for Orlando while providing comedic situations.
"The Merchant of Venice": Portia, one of the central characters, cross-dresses as a male lawyer's clerk named Balthazar in the courtroom scene, displaying wit and intelligence to save Antonio.
"Cymbeline": Imogen, the daughter of King Cymbeline, dresses as a man to escape her father's court and find her banished husband.
"The Taming of the Shrew": In this controversial comedy, the character of Katherine's sister, Bianca, has suitors who disguise themselves to woo her.
"Much Ado About Nothing": The character Margaret briefly impersonates Hero in a plot to deceive the other characters and facilitate the central romantic storyline.
"The Two Gentlemen of Verona": Julia disguises herself as a male page named Sebastian in order to follow her love interest, Proteus, to the city of Milan.
You still seem to believe the issue has anything to with sexuality or gender .. this is a backlash against the Woke, not against weirdos .. (I say this as a lifetime advocate of weirdodom). By Woke I mean the establishment phony (virtue signaling) Woke that tries to control my very tongue and the pronouns that emit from it. (It is the gay community that is under the most threat by this movement that creates an environment where it is more acceptable for a child to believe she was born in the wrong body, rather than accept that she may be gay.)
I can’t speak for “the Establishment” but certainly amongst my friends that “more acceptable” bit isn’t true. “Wokeness” is a reaction to a particular, inhumane and intolerant , oppression. The oppression du jour is of trans people but that’s the choice of the American Taliban. Certainly around here you don’t have to be “woke” to support gays, their marriage, their life choices--no one is openly against that so no one has to defend it. Just appreciate That, of course, is not true everywhere, particularly in the South, where “grooming” has become a completely new outrage being fed to the already prejudiced. But at least there aren’t laws--yet--about the FACT of being gay (I’ve heard Texas may be trying).
The whole “drag queen” thing if an offspring of “protect the children from my own prurient interests.” As with any form of entertainment it can be G, PG, R, or X rated.
Objections to the G type are from folks who see sex in everything. But a cigar is sometimes just a smoke.
Fantastic. And very surprising from a Trump-appointed judge. Did they say anything about an appeal? How is the 6th Circuit likely to rule? Hopefully it's not as crazy as the 5th Circuit.
This decision will apparently open the door for the return of minstrels shows. If it’s okay to denigrate, dehumanize, patronize and insult women, it must be okay to denigrate, dehumanize, patronize and insult black people. Minstrel shows are just an example of free speech and expression.
You make several erroneous assumptions in your argument, which render it pointless:
1) The purpose of drag is not to denigrate women. While it is possible for a drag performance to denigrate women, doing so is not an inherent part of the art form, like denegrating Black people IS central to the purpose of minstrel. If a particular drag performance marginalizes anyone based on their gender, then the specific performance can be criticized without attacking the entire art form.
2) Drag, while quite commonly presented as a male or non-binary person dressing to impersonate a woman, is not specific to "men" performing as "women." It can be a person of any gender (or lack thereof) performing presentation of any gender that is not their own. Minstrel is about punching down. That is its purpose. While drag can be used that way, it rarely is. It's not usually about punching, at all.
3) Minstrel shows are not illegal, as far as I know (if I am wrong about this, please specify sample laws). While they are in extremely poor taste, no white person is likely to ever end up charged with a crime simply for donning black-face.
Parents do not want their kids groomed/indoctrinated to be victims of pedophiles. With democrats pushing the LGBTQ agenda for boys in a skirt to be able to go into the girls locker rooms and bathrooms and rape their daughters, Loudoun Virginia, are not going over real well with moms and dads.. These parents also see athletic scholarships going to “trans” girls with male genitalia that beat out their daughters. As long as Democrat keep shouting their battle cry of "SEX BEFORE EIGHT ELSE IT’'S TOO LATE" they will continue to lose. No rouge judge is going to help.
Then those parents are in luck, because there is no "LGBTQ agenda" and there is no evidence to suggest that protection of trans folks in any way increases the likelihood of molestation against children of any gender. If you want to protect children, how about making sure all of them, regardless of their gender (or lack thereof) are respected and cared for, and allowed to express their gender in the manner that they feel is authentic to them.
Why would a trans girl want to rape another girl any more than a "born" girl would? What prevents a boy in manly-man pants from sneaking into a girls locker room and hiding in a stall? Certainly in a school locker room, any boy donning a skirt is going to be recognized by fellow students and booted. The students know who is truly looking at a trans identity and who is faking.
Paranoia runs deep....
By far the best way for a male to get into a woman's locker room is to own the team or the pageant. Apparently he is then free to just go in and ogle away.
I haven't found anything but unsupported allegations that this kid was trans. Wearing a skirt does not make you trans: ask any Scotsman. If she was alone in the bathroom he could have entered skirt or not.
Since rape is an expression of power rather than sexual desire, it seems that the could always be exceptions to the general rule that trans women IDENTIFY as women and have no reason to rape other "born" women. Women, of course, can have as much suppressed anger and desire to dominate as men. Check out stories of women's prisons.
Since he was convicted it is hard to see this as "hushed up."
It was sort of hushed up and the kid was transferred to another school where he assaulted another girl. In this news article, he’s described as “gender fluid”.
The Daily Signal is the one labeling the kid "transgender." There is nothing in the grand jury report it links to that suggests that.
Do you honestly think that a sign saying "Girls" without including transgender is going to keep a boy out if he wants to use the relative privacy of a restroom to assault a girl? If so, please send the formula so I can protect my house with a sign saying "No burglars."
Yes. My not-well-articulated point was that the School Board did try to hush it up, but not because the boy identified other than male. They handled it poorly all the way around.
(Disclosure: I live in Loudoun County and do not have children in the school system.)
I'm not saying most conservatives are pedos - they're not - but pretending to be a god-fearing christian is a great cover for the crime. Plus it's all part of the authoritarian mindset.
The largest group of pedos is public school teachers.
The most comprehensive report about sexual abuse by teachers in public schools, published by the Department of Education in 2004, estimates—on the basis of a 2000 survey, conducted by the American Association of University Women, of 2,065 students in grades eight through 11—that nearly 10 percent of K-12 students have been victims of sexual misconduct by a public school employee. Assuming that figure is accurate, this would translate into an approximately 4.5 million children nationwide suffering sexual misconduct by public school employees, with an estimated 3 million suffering physical sexual abuse—a number, according to the author of the study, Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft, more than 100 times greater than the sexual physical abuse committed by Catholic priests, who, at the time the report was published, were undergoing a reckoning for the crimes within their ranks.
You're making a good argument in favor of age-appropriate sex education, so children will know that they can report abusive adults. Good for you!
To determine which cohort, clerics or teachers, would naturally produce a greater number of child predators in the United States, we would need to consider several factors. However, it's important to note that reliable and up-to-date statistical data specifically comparing child predators among clerics and teachers may not be readily available, as such information can be challenging to quantify accurately due to underreporting and variations in reporting protocols.
Nonetheless, let's assume for the sake of this discussion that the rate of child predators is indeed similar among clerics and teachers. In this case, we can consider a few factors that might influence the potential number of child predators in each cohort:
Total number of individuals: Teachers significantly outnumber clerics in the United States. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there were approximately 3.7 million full-time-equivalent public school teachers in the 2019-2020 academic year. On the other hand, the number of clerics, such as priests or pastors, is considerably smaller. Therefore, even with a similar rate of child predators, teachers would naturally produce a greater number simply due to the larger pool of individuals.
Access to children: Teachers generally have more direct and prolonged contact with children than clerics. Teachers interact with students on a daily basis in a classroom setting, while clerics may have less frequent contact with children, primarily during religious activities or services. The increased interaction and access to children that teachers have could potentially increase the likelihood of inappropriate behavior or instances of child abuse.
Reporting mechanisms: The reporting mechanisms and protocols for incidents of child abuse or inappropriate behavior can vary between educational institutions and religious organizations. Schools typically have well-defined reporting procedures in place and often have mandatory reporting requirements for suspected abuse. These protocols aim to ensure that incidents are reported promptly and appropriate actions are taken. However, reporting mechanisms within religious organizations may not be as standardized or robust, potentially leading to underreporting of child abuse cases.
Considering these factors, even with a similar rate of child predators, the larger number of teachers and their increased access to children would likely result in a higher overall number of reported cases involving teachers compared to clerics. However, it is important to remember that these conclusions are based on assumptions and generalizations, and actual data may vary. Additionally, efforts to combat child abuse and protect children are crucial in both educational and religious contexts, regardless of the relative numbers involved.
I offer you a Rx that might help. Admit to people that you do not agree with the ideas that came from the Enlightenment. Just admit it. If you do not know these ideals, read a book and decide for yourself. If you do not agree with these, you do not agree to the principles the United States was founded upon. It's that simple.
This is fantastic news to wake up to!
Great to wake up to some good news!
When these laws started popping up I wondered how it was possible that I could take my small child to see "50 Shades of Gray" at the movies but not "As You Like It" at the theater...
Or Michaelangelo’s David, due to the exposed marble penis. But yeah, 50 Shades is okey-dokey.
Or Mulan
Thanks for moderating Chris. I generally love reading the comments section here because it’s mainly people making thoughtful points, whether or not they agree. I hope the trolls won’t mess up this forum. There’s a reason I’m long gone from FB.
Yeah, but now that perhaps heads to SCOTUS, where bad actors in our democracy will show that John Adams himself would not...blah blah blah...drivel... and decide this law is in fact constitutional. Which nobody will understand, because it is unconstitutional.
Bravo Judge!. Makes me wonder about the constitutionality of those abortion restriction statutes that have the "exception" of "necessary to save the life of the mother." If medical professionals cannot tell what exactly that statutory wording means, surely the term "overbroad" applies.
I feel confident the law was not intended to pass (the poison pills were too obvious, especially to lawmakers), as the Republicans are more libertarian than ever - but rather to send a message.
And everyone please remember that Flip Wilson/Geraldine .. not to mention Milton Berle, was popular family entertainment, as were all minstrel acts - this is not a sudden prejudice - but a backlash against the intrusion into their personal space by other people's pronouns. Drag Queens are only rarely trans or otherwise confused about their sex and gender - some of the most famous were heterosexual straights. So it isn't even the Drag Queen's battle - they were dragged into it.
How many of Shakespeare's plays include gender impersonation?
"Twelfth Night": This comedy revolves around a pair of twins, Viola and Sebastian. Viola disguises herself as a man named Cesario and becomes entangled in a web of mistaken identities and romantic complications.
"As You Like It": In this play, the character Rosalind disguises herself as a young man named Ganymede, allowing her to explore her romantic feelings for Orlando while providing comedic situations.
"The Merchant of Venice": Portia, one of the central characters, cross-dresses as a male lawyer's clerk named Balthazar in the courtroom scene, displaying wit and intelligence to save Antonio.
"Cymbeline": Imogen, the daughter of King Cymbeline, dresses as a man to escape her father's court and find her banished husband.
"The Taming of the Shrew": In this controversial comedy, the character of Katherine's sister, Bianca, has suitors who disguise themselves to woo her.
"Much Ado About Nothing": The character Margaret briefly impersonates Hero in a plot to deceive the other characters and facilitate the central romantic storyline.
"The Two Gentlemen of Verona": Julia disguises herself as a male page named Sebastian in order to follow her love interest, Proteus, to the city of Milan.
And apart from that, many of Shakespeare's love sonnets were written TO a man.
You still seem to believe the issue has anything to with sexuality or gender .. this is a backlash against the Woke, not against weirdos .. (I say this as a lifetime advocate of weirdodom). By Woke I mean the establishment phony (virtue signaling) Woke that tries to control my very tongue and the pronouns that emit from it. (It is the gay community that is under the most threat by this movement that creates an environment where it is more acceptable for a child to believe she was born in the wrong body, rather than accept that she may be gay.)
I can’t speak for “the Establishment” but certainly amongst my friends that “more acceptable” bit isn’t true. “Wokeness” is a reaction to a particular, inhumane and intolerant , oppression. The oppression du jour is of trans people but that’s the choice of the American Taliban. Certainly around here you don’t have to be “woke” to support gays, their marriage, their life choices--no one is openly against that so no one has to defend it. Just appreciate That, of course, is not true everywhere, particularly in the South, where “grooming” has become a completely new outrage being fed to the already prejudiced. But at least there aren’t laws--yet--about the FACT of being gay (I’ve heard Texas may be trying).
The whole “drag queen” thing if an offspring of “protect the children from my own prurient interests.” As with any form of entertainment it can be G, PG, R, or X rated.
Objections to the G type are from folks who see sex in everything. But a cigar is sometimes just a smoke.
Fantastic. And very surprising from a Trump-appointed judge. Did they say anything about an appeal? How is the 6th Circuit likely to rule? Hopefully it's not as crazy as the 5th Circuit.
This decision will apparently open the door for the return of minstrels shows. If it’s okay to denigrate, dehumanize, patronize and insult women, it must be okay to denigrate, dehumanize, patronize and insult black people. Minstrel shows are just an example of free speech and expression.
You make several erroneous assumptions in your argument, which render it pointless:
1) The purpose of drag is not to denigrate women. While it is possible for a drag performance to denigrate women, doing so is not an inherent part of the art form, like denegrating Black people IS central to the purpose of minstrel. If a particular drag performance marginalizes anyone based on their gender, then the specific performance can be criticized without attacking the entire art form.
2) Drag, while quite commonly presented as a male or non-binary person dressing to impersonate a woman, is not specific to "men" performing as "women." It can be a person of any gender (or lack thereof) performing presentation of any gender that is not their own. Minstrel is about punching down. That is its purpose. While drag can be used that way, it rarely is. It's not usually about punching, at all.
3) Minstrel shows are not illegal, as far as I know (if I am wrong about this, please specify sample laws). While they are in extremely poor taste, no white person is likely to ever end up charged with a crime simply for donning black-face.
Parents do not want their kids groomed/indoctrinated to be victims of pedophiles. With democrats pushing the LGBTQ agenda for boys in a skirt to be able to go into the girls locker rooms and bathrooms and rape their daughters, Loudoun Virginia, are not going over real well with moms and dads.. These parents also see athletic scholarships going to “trans” girls with male genitalia that beat out their daughters. As long as Democrat keep shouting their battle cry of "SEX BEFORE EIGHT ELSE IT’'S TOO LATE" they will continue to lose. No rouge judge is going to help.
Then those parents are in luck, because there is no "LGBTQ agenda" and there is no evidence to suggest that protection of trans folks in any way increases the likelihood of molestation against children of any gender. If you want to protect children, how about making sure all of them, regardless of their gender (or lack thereof) are respected and cared for, and allowed to express their gender in the manner that they feel is authentic to them.
Why would a trans girl want to rape another girl any more than a "born" girl would? What prevents a boy in manly-man pants from sneaking into a girls locker room and hiding in a stall? Certainly in a school locker room, any boy donning a skirt is going to be recognized by fellow students and booted. The students know who is truly looking at a trans identity and who is faking.
Paranoia runs deep....
By far the best way for a male to get into a woman's locker room is to own the team or the pageant. Apparently he is then free to just go in and ogle away.
Then why did Loudoun hush up the rape?
It is not paranoia when it has already happened.
I haven't found anything but unsupported allegations that this kid was trans. Wearing a skirt does not make you trans: ask any Scotsman. If she was alone in the bathroom he could have entered skirt or not.
Since rape is an expression of power rather than sexual desire, it seems that the could always be exceptions to the general rule that trans women IDENTIFY as women and have no reason to rape other "born" women. Women, of course, can have as much suppressed anger and desire to dominate as men. Check out stories of women's prisons.
Since he was convicted it is hard to see this as "hushed up."
It was sort of hushed up and the kid was transferred to another school where he assaulted another girl. In this news article, he’s described as “gender fluid”.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/02/15/loudoun-county-school-board-votes-hide-report-male-gender-fluid-student-raping-students-parents/
And this says that that characterization was not confirmed by authorities.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/loudoun-schools-sex-assault-allegations/2021/10/13/02d3f144-2c61-11ec-8ef6-3ca8fe943a92_story.html
Or, if you prefer a more conservative source:
https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/teen-convicted-of-sex-assault-doesnt-identify-as-female-despite-skirt/
The Daily Signal is the one labeling the kid "transgender." There is nothing in the grand jury report it links to that suggests that.
Do you honestly think that a sign saying "Girls" without including transgender is going to keep a boy out if he wants to use the relative privacy of a restroom to assault a girl? If so, please send the formula so I can protect my house with a sign saying "No burglars."
Yes. My not-well-articulated point was that the School Board did try to hush it up, but not because the boy identified other than male. They handled it poorly all the way around.
(Disclosure: I live in Loudoun County and do not have children in the school system.)
Most pedos are conservatives.
I'm not saying most conservatives are pedos - they're not - but pretending to be a god-fearing christian is a great cover for the crime. Plus it's all part of the authoritarian mindset.
The largest group of pedos is public school teachers.
The most comprehensive report about sexual abuse by teachers in public schools, published by the Department of Education in 2004, estimates—on the basis of a 2000 survey, conducted by the American Association of University Women, of 2,065 students in grades eight through 11—that nearly 10 percent of K-12 students have been victims of sexual misconduct by a public school employee. Assuming that figure is accurate, this would translate into an approximately 4.5 million children nationwide suffering sexual misconduct by public school employees, with an estimated 3 million suffering physical sexual abuse—a number, according to the author of the study, Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft, more than 100 times greater than the sexual physical abuse committed by Catholic priests, who, at the time the report was published, were undergoing a reckoning for the crimes within their ranks.
https://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf
https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/hawaii-teacher-arrested-for-sharing-child-pornography/
You're making a good argument in favor of age-appropriate sex education, so children will know that they can report abusive adults. Good for you!
To determine which cohort, clerics or teachers, would naturally produce a greater number of child predators in the United States, we would need to consider several factors. However, it's important to note that reliable and up-to-date statistical data specifically comparing child predators among clerics and teachers may not be readily available, as such information can be challenging to quantify accurately due to underreporting and variations in reporting protocols.
Nonetheless, let's assume for the sake of this discussion that the rate of child predators is indeed similar among clerics and teachers. In this case, we can consider a few factors that might influence the potential number of child predators in each cohort:
Total number of individuals: Teachers significantly outnumber clerics in the United States. According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there were approximately 3.7 million full-time-equivalent public school teachers in the 2019-2020 academic year. On the other hand, the number of clerics, such as priests or pastors, is considerably smaller. Therefore, even with a similar rate of child predators, teachers would naturally produce a greater number simply due to the larger pool of individuals.
Access to children: Teachers generally have more direct and prolonged contact with children than clerics. Teachers interact with students on a daily basis in a classroom setting, while clerics may have less frequent contact with children, primarily during religious activities or services. The increased interaction and access to children that teachers have could potentially increase the likelihood of inappropriate behavior or instances of child abuse.
Reporting mechanisms: The reporting mechanisms and protocols for incidents of child abuse or inappropriate behavior can vary between educational institutions and religious organizations. Schools typically have well-defined reporting procedures in place and often have mandatory reporting requirements for suspected abuse. These protocols aim to ensure that incidents are reported promptly and appropriate actions are taken. However, reporting mechanisms within religious organizations may not be as standardized or robust, potentially leading to underreporting of child abuse cases.
Considering these factors, even with a similar rate of child predators, the larger number of teachers and their increased access to children would likely result in a higher overall number of reported cases involving teachers compared to clerics. However, it is important to remember that these conclusions are based on assumptions and generalizations, and actual data may vary. Additionally, efforts to combat child abuse and protect children are crucial in both educational and religious contexts, regardless of the relative numbers involved.
Good grief!
Care to elaborate?
Yeah, all. I banned that person after that final comment.
Boo hoo. Close your churches!! Many more PEDOS there!!!
I offer you a Rx that might help. Admit to people that you do not agree with the ideas that came from the Enlightenment. Just admit it. If you do not know these ideals, read a book and decide for yourself. If you do not agree with these, you do not agree to the principles the United States was founded upon. It's that simple.
Naw you lost this one. Cry more.