I'm responding to the "No Kings Act". US presidents have been breaking the law pretty much all of the time. FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, both Shrubs, Obama, Biden. All of them got away with their crimes and Biden is aiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide. Trump is the first one to ever face trial for his crimes. Even the corrupt Wall Street bankers got away with their crimes and many worked for the Obama administration. So yeah, status quo is presidents have been treated like kings.
Odd that youโre not including Trump the orange skinned one in your list of criminals as he is the biggest offender. Or is that to be assumed? Just curiousโฆ
I did mention him as the only criminal president to actually be indicted. And pretty much every US president has been a criminal. Nixon would have been the first but Ford pardoned him๐คฆโโ๏ธ Huge mistake.
I read elsewhere that Roberts et al had all these crimes in mind when they wrote their โtotal immunityโ ruling to protect Presidents from prosecution. Particularly all the Republicans whoโve authorized war crimes. The difference is that nobody has tried to hold a President criminally liable before - Nixon assumed he would get convicted, hence the pardon- and as soon as one is, they jump in and officially give Presidential Immunity and makes SCOTUS the arbitrator of what is and isnโt prosecutable. Which means, unless the court is rebalanced, only D Presidents will be convicted of crimes, not R. Itโs also a push to actually get some kind of legislation to MAKE it illegal for Presidents to crime - surely thatโs a good thing?
Trump is the first to stand trial because he is actually a criminal, a con artist of the highest order. He uses all the tricks in the book to deceive and cheat the American people. He needs to be further prosecuted in my opinion for his billions in emoulments. He exhausted every legal channel to overturn a free and fair election and then rallied a riot to obstruct the certification, and almost got his VP hung by a lynch mob. That is a CRIME against the American people's interests. There is only bald-faced self interest involved in Trump's cases, while at least the other Presidents made decisions that actually tried to protect Americans or American interests. Not that those decisions were always the best or most honest ones, in fact, many decisions were despicable, but this overt immunity ruling is absolutely ridiculous, allowing no recourse to stop a "Mad King" and must be overturned.
Trump is not the first criminal president๐คฃ One could say that would be George Washington as he was part of the genocidal "founders". FDR had 2 atomic bombs dropped on CIVILIANS in Japan and had Japanese interment camps. You're freaking out over the status quo๐คฃBiden is currently breaking international law abiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide of the Palestinian people. Will be be held accountable? Nope.
History has made them accountable. It was Truman, a democrat who dropped the Abombs, and FDR who rounded up Japanese American citizens and put them in concentration camps. Like I said, some acts were despicable, but those decisions were based on protecting American citizens in wartime when already hundreds of thousands of Americans had already died fighting WWII. I personally think its the worse decision ever made. Wasn't it Truman who said the buck stops here? And other citizens were afraid of enemy infiltration. Fear itself drives many BAD decisions, which is why Trump has been so effective in his grifting, calling migrants coming to the border "an invasion" and proclaiming a "Wall" would fix the problem. George Washington never called for the mass incarceration or vengeance on the Tories. Abraham LIncoln never called for executions of Southern generals for their part in leading the rebellion of the southern states, an amendment to the Constitution prevented them from holding federal office, as it should have done to Trump. But no going back, just forward, and we have to find the legal way to overturn this immunity decision and limit the power of the court to overlook their lack of regard for precedent.
The No Kings Act is in response to a Supreme Court ruling that immunizes presidents in various respects from criminal punishment. The bill reaffirms a basic principle that presidents are liable for their crimes.
You referenced something about deportations. That adds to the non sequitur nature of the comment. It is not a crime to "deport" people per se. I'm also not going to try to debate "who's worse" or "the same" or whatever. But I'd toss out there that Nixon resigned.
It is a crime to bomb civilians, FDR, Obama, Johnson, both Shrubs, and Biden. Reagan got away with Iran Contra. So did Shrub Sr. Nixon didn't face prosecution because Ford pardoned him. Many US presidents have been criminals. Biden is one too. Genocide is a crime against humanity. So as I stated earlier, y'all freaking out over the status fucking quo. Remember the "founders" of the US were criminals too. They committed genocide and enslaved people.
I'm not sure what you are responding to here.
I'm responding to the "No Kings Act". US presidents have been breaking the law pretty much all of the time. FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, both Shrubs, Obama, Biden. All of them got away with their crimes and Biden is aiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide. Trump is the first one to ever face trial for his crimes. Even the corrupt Wall Street bankers got away with their crimes and many worked for the Obama administration. So yeah, status quo is presidents have been treated like kings.
Odd that youโre not including Trump the orange skinned one in your list of criminals as he is the biggest offender. Or is that to be assumed? Just curiousโฆ
I did mention him as the only criminal president to actually be indicted. And pretty much every US president has been a criminal. Nixon would have been the first but Ford pardoned him๐คฆโโ๏ธ Huge mistake.
Sorry, missed that.
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I read elsewhere that Roberts et al had all these crimes in mind when they wrote their โtotal immunityโ ruling to protect Presidents from prosecution. Particularly all the Republicans whoโve authorized war crimes. The difference is that nobody has tried to hold a President criminally liable before - Nixon assumed he would get convicted, hence the pardon- and as soon as one is, they jump in and officially give Presidential Immunity and makes SCOTUS the arbitrator of what is and isnโt prosecutable. Which means, unless the court is rebalanced, only D Presidents will be convicted of crimes, not R. Itโs also a push to actually get some kind of legislation to MAKE it illegal for Presidents to crime - surely thatโs a good thing?
Trump is the first to stand trial because he is actually a criminal, a con artist of the highest order. He uses all the tricks in the book to deceive and cheat the American people. He needs to be further prosecuted in my opinion for his billions in emoulments. He exhausted every legal channel to overturn a free and fair election and then rallied a riot to obstruct the certification, and almost got his VP hung by a lynch mob. That is a CRIME against the American people's interests. There is only bald-faced self interest involved in Trump's cases, while at least the other Presidents made decisions that actually tried to protect Americans or American interests. Not that those decisions were always the best or most honest ones, in fact, many decisions were despicable, but this overt immunity ruling is absolutely ridiculous, allowing no recourse to stop a "Mad King" and must be overturned.
Trump is not the first criminal president๐คฃ One could say that would be George Washington as he was part of the genocidal "founders". FDR had 2 atomic bombs dropped on CIVILIANS in Japan and had Japanese interment camps. You're freaking out over the status quo๐คฃBiden is currently breaking international law abiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide of the Palestinian people. Will be be held accountable? Nope.
History has made them accountable. It was Truman, a democrat who dropped the Abombs, and FDR who rounded up Japanese American citizens and put them in concentration camps. Like I said, some acts were despicable, but those decisions were based on protecting American citizens in wartime when already hundreds of thousands of Americans had already died fighting WWII. I personally think its the worse decision ever made. Wasn't it Truman who said the buck stops here? And other citizens were afraid of enemy infiltration. Fear itself drives many BAD decisions, which is why Trump has been so effective in his grifting, calling migrants coming to the border "an invasion" and proclaiming a "Wall" would fix the problem. George Washington never called for the mass incarceration or vengeance on the Tories. Abraham LIncoln never called for executions of Southern generals for their part in leading the rebellion of the southern states, an amendment to the Constitution prevented them from holding federal office, as it should have done to Trump. But no going back, just forward, and we have to find the legal way to overturn this immunity decision and limit the power of the court to overlook their lack of regard for precedent.
*Aiding.
The No Kings Act is in response to a Supreme Court ruling that immunizes presidents in various respects from criminal punishment. The bill reaffirms a basic principle that presidents are liable for their crimes.
You referenced something about deportations. That adds to the non sequitur nature of the comment. It is not a crime to "deport" people per se. I'm also not going to try to debate "who's worse" or "the same" or whatever. But I'd toss out there that Nixon resigned.
It is a crime to bomb civilians, FDR, Obama, Johnson, both Shrubs, and Biden. Reagan got away with Iran Contra. So did Shrub Sr. Nixon didn't face prosecution because Ford pardoned him. Many US presidents have been criminals. Biden is one too. Genocide is a crime against humanity. So as I stated earlier, y'all freaking out over the status fucking quo. Remember the "founders" of the US were criminals too. They committed genocide and enslaved people.