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defineandredefine's avatar

The hell with navigability - abbot put up fucking Saw traps in the Rio Grande. People have already died, including one child. He should be under criminal indictment, for both this and trafficking humans with his shipping migrants out of his state.

If pieces of shit like him can continue to act with impunity, these problems will only get worse.

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Larry Erickson's avatar

Exactly two months ago, I commented - I don't recall where - thus (edited for length):

"Has it occurred to anyone that there is a reason referring to undocumented immigrants as an 'invasion" has 'become common currency among the bigots? That there is more to it than red-meat fear-mongering?

"Could it be related to Article One, Section 9 of the Constitution which says 'The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion OR INVASION the public safety may require it?'

"Call me paranoid, but these days paranoia seems to be reasonable caution."

I was told that I was overwrought, that was extremely unlikely. Now, with a 5th Circuit judge invoking Section 10 and the right of a state to "wage war" when faced with "invasion," I'm feeling less paranoid than prescient.

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Ransom Rideout's avatar

Whew!! I need a drink. Tequila, preferably.

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Joe From the Bronx's avatar

I understand the messaging, but the actual content of the No Kings Act leaves a bit to be desired in my view. But keep up the reform proposals, including Whitehouse's statutory term limit bill.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Ummm... Reagan and both Shrubs got away with their crimes. So did FDR. So did Obama. Did you know Obama and Biden have both deported more people than Trump? Presidents have always gotten away with their crimes. You're panicking over the status quo.

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Joe From the Bronx's avatar

I'm not sure what you are responding to here.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

I'm responding to the "No Kings Act". US presidents have been breaking the law pretty much all of the time. FDR, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, both Shrubs, Obama, Biden. All of them got away with their crimes and Biden is aiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide. Trump is the first one to ever face trial for his crimes. Even the corrupt Wall Street bankers got away with their crimes and many worked for the Obama administration. So yeah, status quo is presidents have been treated like kings.

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Melissa Meg Lauber's avatar

Odd that you’re not including Trump the orange skinned one in your list of criminals as he is the biggest offender. Or is that to be assumed? Just curious…

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

I did mention him as the only criminal president to actually be indicted. And pretty much every US president has been a criminal. Nixon would have been the first but Ford pardoned him🤦‍♀️ Huge mistake.

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Melissa Meg Lauber's avatar

Sorry, missed that.

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Jos1463's avatar

I read elsewhere that Roberts et al had all these crimes in mind when they wrote their “total immunity” ruling to protect Presidents from prosecution. Particularly all the Republicans who’ve authorized war crimes. The difference is that nobody has tried to hold a President criminally liable before - Nixon assumed he would get convicted, hence the pardon- and as soon as one is, they jump in and officially give Presidential Immunity and makes SCOTUS the arbitrator of what is and isn’t prosecutable. Which means, unless the court is rebalanced, only D Presidents will be convicted of crimes, not R. It’s also a push to actually get some kind of legislation to MAKE it illegal for Presidents to crime - surely that’s a good thing?

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Lynn Horsky's avatar

Trump is the first to stand trial because he is actually a criminal, a con artist of the highest order. He uses all the tricks in the book to deceive and cheat the American people. He needs to be further prosecuted in my opinion for his billions in emoulments. He exhausted every legal channel to overturn a free and fair election and then rallied a riot to obstruct the certification, and almost got his VP hung by a lynch mob. That is a CRIME against the American people's interests. There is only bald-faced self interest involved in Trump's cases, while at least the other Presidents made decisions that actually tried to protect Americans or American interests. Not that those decisions were always the best or most honest ones, in fact, many decisions were despicable, but this overt immunity ruling is absolutely ridiculous, allowing no recourse to stop a "Mad King" and must be overturned.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

Trump is not the first criminal president🤣 One could say that would be George Washington as he was part of the genocidal "founders". FDR had 2 atomic bombs dropped on CIVILIANS in Japan and had Japanese interment camps. You're freaking out over the status quo🤣Biden is currently breaking international law abiding, abetting, and facilitating the genocide of the Palestinian people. Will be be held accountable? Nope.

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Lynn Horsky's avatar

History has made them accountable. It was Truman, a democrat who dropped the Abombs, and FDR who rounded up Japanese American citizens and put them in concentration camps. Like I said, some acts were despicable, but those decisions were based on protecting American citizens in wartime when already hundreds of thousands of Americans had already died fighting WWII. I personally think its the worse decision ever made. Wasn't it Truman who said the buck stops here? And other citizens were afraid of enemy infiltration. Fear itself drives many BAD decisions, which is why Trump has been so effective in his grifting, calling migrants coming to the border "an invasion" and proclaiming a "Wall" would fix the problem. George Washington never called for the mass incarceration or vengeance on the Tories. Abraham LIncoln never called for executions of Southern generals for their part in leading the rebellion of the southern states, an amendment to the Constitution prevented them from holding federal office, as it should have done to Trump. But no going back, just forward, and we have to find the legal way to overturn this immunity decision and limit the power of the court to overlook their lack of regard for precedent.

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Joe From the Bronx's avatar

The No Kings Act is in response to a Supreme Court ruling that immunizes presidents in various respects from criminal punishment. The bill reaffirms a basic principle that presidents are liable for their crimes.

You referenced something about deportations. That adds to the non sequitur nature of the comment. It is not a crime to "deport" people per se. I'm also not going to try to debate "who's worse" or "the same" or whatever. But I'd toss out there that Nixon resigned.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

It is a crime to bomb civilians, FDR, Obama, Johnson, both Shrubs, and Biden. Reagan got away with Iran Contra. So did Shrub Sr. Nixon didn't face prosecution because Ford pardoned him. Many US presidents have been criminals. Biden is one too. Genocide is a crime against humanity. So as I stated earlier, y'all freaking out over the status fucking quo. Remember the "founders" of the US were criminals too. They committed genocide and enslaved people.

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Shelley Powers's avatar

Excellent summary of all the cases and how screwed up it all is.

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Shelley Powers's avatar

My concern is Thomas issued an invitation to challenge federal oversight of our nation's river systems. It seems to me the Fifth is setting this up for SCOTUS to challenge 'navigability' under the RHA. Less the Fifth being batshit crazy, more destroying federal regulation.

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Chris Geidner's avatar

I mean, it's this. In short, it's both. https://www.lawdork.com/p/scotus-conservatives-made-clear-they

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Chris Geidner's avatar

FYI: I added a paragraph up top connecting these stories explicitly. Thanks!

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Mark S's avatar

The fifth is overseen by Mr. Bulshito, perhaps a fraternal twin of Mr. Ginni.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

This is how Texas and other red states will secede from the Union. They're just going to ignore federal laws.

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Zach's avatar

True. They've tried that before. At this moment we're just fighting to make sure the red states will be seceding from the Union rather than being in control of it. Alas it's better to face an insurrection than a regime.

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𝓙𝓪𝓼𝓶𝓲𝓷𝓮 𝓦𝓸𝓵𝓯𝓮's avatar

We already live under a regime, capitalism. Who you vote for doesn't matter because the politicians don't work for us. They work for the ruling class. All governments are authoritarian. Democracy doesn't exist under capitalism. I mean, did you vote for Bill Clinton to repeal the Glass-Stegall Act which led to the housing market crash? Did you vote for him to sign NAFTA? That decimated blue collar areas nationwide. Did you vote for Biden to illegally close the border like Trump did? How about Biden building Trump's wall? Did you vote for Biden to mishandle Covid? Just like Trump did. Biden declared the pandemic was over, it's not. In fact, currently 1 in 37 people in the US have Covid and Biden has had it 3 times. Oh, how about genocide? Do you approve of the US funding and facilitating the slaughter of the Palestinians?

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Robert  Taylor's avatar

And does anybody believe that the President of the USA has immunity? The same individual who was elected in our first election in 1789! Do the math, people, 1776 + 14 = 1790!! Nobody met the residency requirements back then, and apparently most people don’t give a shit. THE PRESIDENT STARTED OFF ABOVE THE LAW.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

OK, so in Texas actually having boats navigate the waters of a river doesn't mean the water is "navigable?" Got it. (I see what they are doing with "direction" but still.....)

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