Justice Gorsuch wrote for the 8-1 court that the law is presumptively unconstitutional as to talk therapy. Justice Jackson dissented, writing that the “fallout could be catastrophic.“
A violation of free speech!?!? Doesn’t seem to matter what the psychological research and science has shown about the dangers of trying to change someone’s sexual orientation or gender identity. Or that Exodus closed its own doors because conversion therapy just didn’t work!! Good for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson for standing up to this dangerous precedent…
As a psychotherapist and the mom of an LGBTQ person I am so devastated by this decision. People have died after exposure to conversion therapy and those who survive are often left with damage that lingers through their life. Don’t be silent people! Lives depend on you showing up and speaking up.
Funny that since Justice Barrett was confirmed, and the right wing majority secured, everything has become “egregious” … or worse. Abortion, affirmative action, voting rights, gay rights, etc. Rules are exalted; their real effects on real people, feh!
Chris, are you familiar with the concept of a “paper genocide”? It’s the eradication of a population by administrative refusal to recognize existence, & it’s proceeding apace in the US (as you know from your attention to the KS license law etc).
It’s supposed to be posted to their YouTube channel later today. I hope you will take a look at it. I greatly value your efforts to keep anti-trans legislation in the public eye.
This gives me a bad headache. First of all talk therapy is not speech therapy. Speech therapy is a method to help people with “speech” = speaking. Second, conversion therapy is (usually) talk therapy with the purpose of changing a patient’s sexual or gender orientation. There is no reliable record that conversion therapy works. Reliable medical and psychological scientists think that some serious harm can come from this therapy. That may be because the patients are there under family pressure and don’t want to change. Or they may wish to change but cannot alter deeply rooted personality/biological issues. Originally, conversion therapy despite its ecclesiastical sounding name, was introduced to “convert” homosexuality to heterosexuality. Gender did not become a huge issue until this century. That any court, let alone the Supreme Court, dares to stick nine of their noses into this issue, makes me run for the Tylenol. It won’t give me autism, but other unqualified government officials may disagree.
The future looks very bleak for LGBTQ+ rights in this country. I refuse to live in a society that is so unaccepting of anyone who dares to be different than the crowd. Separation of church and state is officially out the window.
At first I was kinda <phfft>, then I took a breath. Sigh.
From my unlettered perspective (and for the rare moment, having not yet read the decision), I can understand the argument I imagine may've been made.
While it is medically unethical, it is not within the court's domain, outside of the potential Constitutional issue, therefore it is up to the professional standards of individual professions (and, perhaps, lawmakers) to rectify this. Whether it's a good or bad thing for those affected is not within our domain.
(This seems to me to have been a somewhat capricious choice, over time. As in, send it back to Congress, wrt other issues, when the Court may've tilted otherwise.)
Odd that only one free thinker respects medical science among the nine.
A violation of free speech!?!? Doesn’t seem to matter what the psychological research and science has shown about the dangers of trying to change someone’s sexual orientation or gender identity. Or that Exodus closed its own doors because conversion therapy just didn’t work!! Good for Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson for standing up to this dangerous precedent…
And it doesn’t seem to matter that this ruling is a violation to the very being of those who know better for themselves.
As a psychotherapist and the mom of an LGBTQ person I am so devastated by this decision. People have died after exposure to conversion therapy and those who survive are often left with damage that lingers through their life. Don’t be silent people! Lives depend on you showing up and speaking up.
Funny that since Justice Barrett was confirmed, and the right wing majority secured, everything has become “egregious” … or worse. Abortion, affirmative action, voting rights, gay rights, etc. Rules are exalted; their real effects on real people, feh!
Chris, are you familiar with the concept of a “paper genocide”? It’s the eradication of a population by administrative refusal to recognize existence, & it’s proceeding apace in the US (as you know from your attention to the KS license law etc).
A few days ago Trans Rescue hosted a webinar on the subject with the founder of the Genocide Studies Journal & some others—
https://transrescue.org/press-release-trans-rescue-joins-genocide-scholars-to-discuss-danger-for-trans-americans
It’s supposed to be posted to their YouTube channel later today. I hope you will take a look at it. I greatly value your efforts to keep anti-trans legislation in the public eye.
This gives me a bad headache. First of all talk therapy is not speech therapy. Speech therapy is a method to help people with “speech” = speaking. Second, conversion therapy is (usually) talk therapy with the purpose of changing a patient’s sexual or gender orientation. There is no reliable record that conversion therapy works. Reliable medical and psychological scientists think that some serious harm can come from this therapy. That may be because the patients are there under family pressure and don’t want to change. Or they may wish to change but cannot alter deeply rooted personality/biological issues. Originally, conversion therapy despite its ecclesiastical sounding name, was introduced to “convert” homosexuality to heterosexuality. Gender did not become a huge issue until this century. That any court, let alone the Supreme Court, dares to stick nine of their noses into this issue, makes me run for the Tylenol. It won’t give me autism, but other unqualified government officials may disagree.
The future looks very bleak for LGBTQ+ rights in this country. I refuse to live in a society that is so unaccepting of anyone who dares to be different than the crowd. Separation of church and state is officially out the window.
At first I was kinda <phfft>, then I took a breath. Sigh.
From my unlettered perspective (and for the rare moment, having not yet read the decision), I can understand the argument I imagine may've been made.
While it is medically unethical, it is not within the court's domain, outside of the potential Constitutional issue, therefore it is up to the professional standards of individual professions (and, perhaps, lawmakers) to rectify this. Whether it's a good or bad thing for those affected is not within our domain.
(This seems to me to have been a somewhat capricious choice, over time. As in, send it back to Congress, wrt other issues, when the Court may've tilted otherwise.)