With respect to the charges brought by using this law against Trump, my understanding is that the fake electors slate scheme relates to directly tampering with evidence rather than only interfering with the proceedings and for that reason, this case before the Supreme Court won’t necessarily affect the case against Trump in DC. Is that correct? It seems thin to me to claim that violently breaking into an official proceeding could be viewed as anything other than interfering with an official proceeding, but it sounds like the fake electors scheme would still keep those charges on the table for at least Trump.
Alito's flinch provides a perfect example of the GOP Justices' change of heart based on whose ox is being gored: they completely support the J6 rioters, and their goals. But please don't bring that uncouth behavior into our sanctum!
The Crooked SCOTUS is gaslighting us all, calling a coup attempt a “mere riot.” Anything to shield their most disgusting excuse of a judge, Clarence Thomas and his seditious wife, Ginni.
Thanks for showing some of the back and forth, which reveals “special pleading” better than anything. It would be amusing if it didn’t demonstrate such blatant bias sitting smugly on the highest court in the land. To compare a violent assault on the Capitol (unmistakably intent on obstructing a quadrennial government function related to the peaceful transfer of national power) with a sit-in or heckling is just absurdly weird. Shame!
I was there. I was there, at the Ellipse and the Supreme Court, on the Mall, along Pennsylvania Av and outside the Capitol to watch nazis in action, just as I've witnessed previous nazi-led and nazi-involved/planned incidents in the streets of DC. I live here – it's easy to ride down there and see/hear what they do and say.
Of course there was a mob mostly not accountable – there were 10's of thousands of people on the Mall that day, and a few thousand of them went chanting or praying or plotting to the steps (and the back door) of the Capitol. That the protest 'got out of hand' displays ignorance of what was going on in the portion of the mob that was armed and preparing to fight their way thru hundreds of cops, with the intent to enter the building, track down anyone they perceived as likely to support the facts of the election, and force them to stop. Joseph Fischer was apparently (based on his own statements and actions) one of those prepared to do whatever it took to stop the official proceedings. That he's being held accountable seems to be, to some, an appalling act of injustice.
Sniff.
Sadly, the current Corte Supremo shows by various recent acts that it is willing and prepared to ignore whatever facts do not comport with their intended outcomes.
I mean we all saw it. It was pretty clear to me that they intended to “stop the steal” which I think says they knew what was going on inside the building and intended to violently stop it (did you not see the noose erected?). Five people died and 174 people were injured. So this entire argument around semantics is pointless. J6 was in no way like an actual protest.
Personally. I think it was a protest that got out of hand. Whether there was an underlying conspiracy involved seems too remote to implicate the entire mob. If you have a mob of people and chaos breaks out depending on the location, there will always be looting. The thing with the Woodstock Festival is that there were no retail stores, banks or whatever to loot, so the focus was on music, getting high &c.. Whereas the various riots in the Civil Rights Era was different whether in Los Angeles NYC or the like. So in DC the focal point was/is The Federal Government so there could be all sorts of mixed motives that brought the encroachments into being. But to be perfectly honest, I haven't followed any of this . But there is no doubt that a large mob could be manipulated to rampage and riot but in my view it would require some act that a massive number of people would find thoroughly outrageous. I find it hard to believe that Donald Trump losing a close election fits that bill.
With respect to the charges brought by using this law against Trump, my understanding is that the fake electors slate scheme relates to directly tampering with evidence rather than only interfering with the proceedings and for that reason, this case before the Supreme Court won’t necessarily affect the case against Trump in DC. Is that correct? It seems thin to me to claim that violently breaking into an official proceeding could be viewed as anything other than interfering with an official proceeding, but it sounds like the fake electors scheme would still keep those charges on the table for at least Trump.
And as always, thank Chris for a great analysis.
Thank you Chris.
I thought Prelogar did a fine job with Alito, in reference to
his hypothetical concerning
people storming the Supreme
Court.
If I remember correctly, haven't people been removed
from the court audience for
being disruptive? J6 was hardly a "protest that got out
of hand." 140 police were injured and 5 died during and
within days after.
Personally, I think a lot of people need to watch those
violent videos taken inside and outside the Capitol again. They were "hunting"
Mike Pence and Nancy Pelosi. 13+ million dollars
worth of damage was done to the Capitol of our coubtry.
Congress had to be adjurned
adjournedand hidden for their
safety. I call that obstruction!
Alito's flinch provides a perfect example of the GOP Justices' change of heart based on whose ox is being gored: they completely support the J6 rioters, and their goals. But please don't bring that uncouth behavior into our sanctum!
Hypocrites and losers, all of them.
The Crooked SCOTUS is gaslighting us all, calling a coup attempt a “mere riot.” Anything to shield their most disgusting excuse of a judge, Clarence Thomas and his seditious wife, Ginni.
Thanks for showing some of the back and forth, which reveals “special pleading” better than anything. It would be amusing if it didn’t demonstrate such blatant bias sitting smugly on the highest court in the land. To compare a violent assault on the Capitol (unmistakably intent on obstructing a quadrennial government function related to the peaceful transfer of national power) with a sit-in or heckling is just absurdly weird. Shame!
I was there. I was there, at the Ellipse and the Supreme Court, on the Mall, along Pennsylvania Av and outside the Capitol to watch nazis in action, just as I've witnessed previous nazi-led and nazi-involved/planned incidents in the streets of DC. I live here – it's easy to ride down there and see/hear what they do and say.
Of course there was a mob mostly not accountable – there were 10's of thousands of people on the Mall that day, and a few thousand of them went chanting or praying or plotting to the steps (and the back door) of the Capitol. That the protest 'got out of hand' displays ignorance of what was going on in the portion of the mob that was armed and preparing to fight their way thru hundreds of cops, with the intent to enter the building, track down anyone they perceived as likely to support the facts of the election, and force them to stop. Joseph Fischer was apparently (based on his own statements and actions) one of those prepared to do whatever it took to stop the official proceedings. That he's being held accountable seems to be, to some, an appalling act of injustice.
Sniff.
Sadly, the current Corte Supremo shows by various recent acts that it is willing and prepared to ignore whatever facts do not comport with their intended outcomes.
But killing Trumps enemies is right on target.
I mean we all saw it. It was pretty clear to me that they intended to “stop the steal” which I think says they knew what was going on inside the building and intended to violently stop it (did you not see the noose erected?). Five people died and 174 people were injured. So this entire argument around semantics is pointless. J6 was in no way like an actual protest.
The concern about overcriminalization is important but I do not like judicial re-writing of clear text to address it.
Personally. I think it was a protest that got out of hand. Whether there was an underlying conspiracy involved seems too remote to implicate the entire mob. If you have a mob of people and chaos breaks out depending on the location, there will always be looting. The thing with the Woodstock Festival is that there were no retail stores, banks or whatever to loot, so the focus was on music, getting high &c.. Whereas the various riots in the Civil Rights Era was different whether in Los Angeles NYC or the like. So in DC the focal point was/is The Federal Government so there could be all sorts of mixed motives that brought the encroachments into being. But to be perfectly honest, I haven't followed any of this . But there is no doubt that a large mob could be manipulated to rampage and riot but in my view it would require some act that a massive number of people would find thoroughly outrageous. I find it hard to believe that Donald Trump losing a close election fits that bill.