John Roberts' court gave corporations unlimited influence in elections, rolled back civil rights, ended women's bodily autonomy, gave the president authority to murder American citizens, and helped wreck the environment. All of this despite precedent, the constitution, and logic pointing to opposite outcomes. The only question left is will historians consider him worse than Taney or not.
John Roberts' court gave corporations unlimited influence in elections, rolled back civil rights, ended women's bodily autonomy, gave the president authority to murder American citizens, and helped wreck the environment. All of this despite precedent, the constitution, and logic pointing to opposite outcomes. The only question left is will historians consider him worse than Taney or not.
Interesting how some men achieve positions of power and use it to greatly improve the lives of others, and some men think that they are now all-powerful gods who are never to be questioned about their lack of ethics or behavior. Roberts does not even reside in the same universe as Jimmy Carter.
I take great offense at your suggestion my bodily autonomy was harmed by the end of Roe. I am just as free to do with my body what I like- I can simply no longer murder my children for it.
Yes, sex IS supposed to have other consequences. It is normally pleasurable for those having it, and tends to strengthen the human connection. Only a zealot would claim that its only purpose is to make babies. Jeesh!
Oh wow I guess if I can't drink and drive then the government has a right to make all my health care decisions for me. Don't hide from the truth, just own it. You want to force women to be baby incubators against their will and their doctors in many cases and if that means some women have to die then you accept that. Just remember, if the government has the power to force you to give birth then it certainly has the power to force you to have an abortion.
Um, yeah. Isn’t that the whole point of regulating the health care industry? That’s why we have right-to-try debates. Isn’t that what Medicare does when it says it won’t cover your care?
Moreover, *unless a woman is raped*, she consented to sex. Babies come with sex. It’s been in the fine print for a couple million years now. If you don’t want to get pregnant, *don’t have sex.* She agreed to it- no one but herself forced her to have sex. That’s definitionally not against her will. So, I would like women (and the men who get them pregnant) to own their own decisions about their bodies and be honest about how they got where they are. Unless rape happened, she already agreed to it.
A further point notes that we can have better maternal care without abortion. Although I’d like to see China kidnap and rape women. I don’t see how else a country that can force women to have abortions is going to force them to have babies.
Nope that is not the whole point of regulating health insurance and the healthcare industry at all. Anyway I know you think it is your job to enforce what you think the consequences of sex are onto people you don't know and to use the violence of secular government power to help you force your (probably religious) beliefs on people you don't know. I just hope you lose and that you never have to be subjugated by a government not interested in uplifting you but subjugating you the way you want it to subjugate others you don't like. The fact that every time this has been in front of voters a solid majority are against you is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise bleak landscape politically.
What do you think the FDA does? Tell you what drugs you can and cannot take. Who do you think makes it so you can sue your doctor for malpractice? The laws the government makes. Government already highly regulates healthcare. This is just one more thing to add to the list.
“What I think the consequences of sex are?” So is sex supposed to have other consequences? Its purpose is to make babies. Do you disagree?
Oh? Are you still young enough to die from a miscarriage that does not spontaneously abort? Yes that is the technical description of what should happen to prevent a mother of dying from sepsis and other peoples arrogance and ignorance. It also might be nice if we got around to preventing ANY Child being forced to give birth because we are such great Christians we only admit rape when the attacker is brown and not related.
A miscarriage is different from an *intentional abortion* in much the same way stabbing a dead body is desecration of a corpse and not attempted murder. Legitimate treatment of a miscarriage is not an abortion.
Thank you for your ignorant reply proving my point. Extremism is never a good thing. Whole states are losing hospitals and gynecologists because they cannot keep their Hypocratic oath and do their duty with their hands tied by anti science zealots.
Proving what point? The only thing you’ve showed me is that you can’t read a dictionary. A miscarried baby is one who died of natural causes. An aborted baby is one who was killed purposefully by doctors. What part of murder fulfills the Hippocratic oath?
John Roberts' court gave corporations unlimited influence in elections, rolled back civil rights, ended women's bodily autonomy, gave the president authority to murder American citizens, and helped wreck the environment. All of this despite precedent, the constitution, and logic pointing to opposite outcomes. The only question left is will historians consider him worse than Taney or not.
And all with that uneasy tinge of self-righteousness …
Interesting how some men achieve positions of power and use it to greatly improve the lives of others, and some men think that they are now all-powerful gods who are never to be questioned about their lack of ethics or behavior. Roberts does not even reside in the same universe as Jimmy Carter.
Nor does he recognize that other universe as inhabitable.
I take great offense at your suggestion my bodily autonomy was harmed by the end of Roe. I am just as free to do with my body what I like- I can simply no longer murder my children for it.
"I can do with my body whatever I like, except for when the government takes over it for 9 months at a time."
Children under 18 don’t consent.
Yes, sex IS supposed to have other consequences. It is normally pleasurable for those having it, and tends to strengthen the human connection. Only a zealot would claim that its only purpose is to make babies. Jeesh!
Nonsense. I can’t take cocaine either, or drink and drive. Where’s my autonomy for that?
And further, the government does not take it over. That’s not how that works.
Oh wow I guess if I can't drink and drive then the government has a right to make all my health care decisions for me. Don't hide from the truth, just own it. You want to force women to be baby incubators against their will and their doctors in many cases and if that means some women have to die then you accept that. Just remember, if the government has the power to force you to give birth then it certainly has the power to force you to have an abortion.
Um, yeah. Isn’t that the whole point of regulating the health care industry? That’s why we have right-to-try debates. Isn’t that what Medicare does when it says it won’t cover your care?
Moreover, *unless a woman is raped*, she consented to sex. Babies come with sex. It’s been in the fine print for a couple million years now. If you don’t want to get pregnant, *don’t have sex.* She agreed to it- no one but herself forced her to have sex. That’s definitionally not against her will. So, I would like women (and the men who get them pregnant) to own their own decisions about their bodies and be honest about how they got where they are. Unless rape happened, she already agreed to it.
A further point notes that we can have better maternal care without abortion. Although I’d like to see China kidnap and rape women. I don’t see how else a country that can force women to have abortions is going to force them to have babies.
Nope that is not the whole point of regulating health insurance and the healthcare industry at all. Anyway I know you think it is your job to enforce what you think the consequences of sex are onto people you don't know and to use the violence of secular government power to help you force your (probably religious) beliefs on people you don't know. I just hope you lose and that you never have to be subjugated by a government not interested in uplifting you but subjugating you the way you want it to subjugate others you don't like. The fact that every time this has been in front of voters a solid majority are against you is one of the few bright spots in an otherwise bleak landscape politically.
What do you think the FDA does? Tell you what drugs you can and cannot take. Who do you think makes it so you can sue your doctor for malpractice? The laws the government makes. Government already highly regulates healthcare. This is just one more thing to add to the list.
“What I think the consequences of sex are?” So is sex supposed to have other consequences? Its purpose is to make babies. Do you disagree?
And finally, I’d like to point out the non-religious left-wing anti-abortion movement is quite robust. https://paaunow.org/ ; https://www.newsweek.com/progressive-case-against-abortion-opinion-1670360
Oh? Are you still young enough to die from a miscarriage that does not spontaneously abort? Yes that is the technical description of what should happen to prevent a mother of dying from sepsis and other peoples arrogance and ignorance. It also might be nice if we got around to preventing ANY Child being forced to give birth because we are such great Christians we only admit rape when the attacker is brown and not related.
A miscarriage is different from an *intentional abortion* in much the same way stabbing a dead body is desecration of a corpse and not attempted murder. Legitimate treatment of a miscarriage is not an abortion.
And I’m all for a rape exception- with a police report of course. You do know that less than 1% of abortions result from rape? And the abusers are the ones who take their victims to get abortions. It’s easy to hide abortions, but not pregnancies. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/amp/news/30085/suit-claims-colo-planned-parenthood-ignored-sex-abuse
Thank you for your ignorant reply proving my point. Extremism is never a good thing. Whole states are losing hospitals and gynecologists because they cannot keep their Hypocratic oath and do their duty with their hands tied by anti science zealots.
Proving what point? The only thing you’ve showed me is that you can’t read a dictionary. A miscarried baby is one who died of natural causes. An aborted baby is one who was killed purposefully by doctors. What part of murder fulfills the Hippocratic oath?