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solnichka (CA, MI, CO, OR, WA)'s avatar

Prosecute the shooter(s). They have violated the victim's civil rights, egregiously.

Michelle Belmont's avatar

While I of course agree, in this era this is the most watery, flimsy response possible. Civil rights??? They didn't just violate her civil rights, they MURDERED her. Prosecute them? Who do you think is going to prosecute the shooters when the DOJ is all Trump's loyalists? The states could try to prosecute them, but Stephen Miller has already told ICE that they are above state law. There will be no justice against ICE within the current legal system, because the system itself is being held hostage.

Frances's avatar

This was cold blooded murder.

One Voice Team's avatar

What makes stories like this so alarming is not only the individual tragedy, but the broader pattern they reveal: escalating state power exercised without clear accountability, transparency, or meaningful public consent. When policies are implemented through force rather than democratic legitimacy, the risk of violence and instability rises—for communities, for institutions, and ultimately for national security.

History shows that once situations reach this level of confrontation, options narrow quickly. The only real chance to prevent further escalation is earlier—when citizens are still able to clearly articulate priorities, demand guardrails, and require public accountability before policy failures harden into irreversible harm.

If we want fewer tragedies and less chaos, civic engagement can’t wait until after the damage is done. Public priorities must be visible, documented, and impossible to ignore—at home and abroad.

One Voice, One Vote Count & Deliver: it's free, quick, & easy. But it can only be effective if a majority of our citizens engage & participate. It takes a village, but we can do it!

https://countanddeliver.org/

Clair's avatar

Clair here🥲 Words fail to describe the emotions that I’m experiencing… how about you?

The Trump government has/is saying… shoot first, we will protect you.

I’m double saddened by learning that not only was she a mother, but was married to the person she truly loved, her wife …

I hope she wasn’t targeted for being on a same sex marriage… this concerns me as a transgendered woman..

I want to thank the Law Dork.. for his clear and accurate reporting of what’s occurring on the “ legal “ issues..thank you 💕. Clair here🌈💕

Clair's avatar

Thank you for acknowledging my thoughts and feelings about what has taken place to one of “ our family “.

No one is safe in the Trump world.. unless you’re a bigot or a kkk supporter..

💕🌈

Robert Weber's avatar

#FEMICIDE …! 🧚‍♂️

Clair's avatar

Clair here💕🌈 There were street protests yesterday.. signs, flags, the chanting and some singing..

When I think of “ Ice”.. I think of “ frozen water”.. What is the enemy of “ frozen water “.. HEAT… it melts and returns it to water.. So, what to do? Apply Heat… peaceful and forceably .. Street Protests… workers strikes, shut down the economy.. it’s already heading for the toilet.. so let’s just “flush” and watch it circle the drain…just thots.. what do you think? ML Clair 💕🌈

Christopher Rixman's avatar

What this record shows is how judicial warnings function when they lack an enforcement mechanism. Ellis identified a pattern, documented it exhaustively, and flagged constitutional violations, but the operational posture on the ground continued unchanged once the injunction was stayed. When oversight exists only as after-the-fact documentation rather than a binding constraint, it becomes a historical record of inevitability rather than a preventive force.

Jennifer Moses's avatar

I couldn't agree more. That was so well stated.

Joeff's avatar

We have reached a new stage and it is frankly terrifying. The flimsiness of the law in the face of a regime determined to crush dissent, condoned by a feckless Congress, leaves the people with very limited options.

Nancy's avatar

Putinesque behavior right here in the USA.

anon emous's avatar

Copying his hero.

Lance Khrome's avatar

The ICE agent pointed out by eye-witnesses reportedly did a runner before any investigators from local, state, or fed agencies showed up. Plates from the shooter's vehicle were captured, as well as descriptions of the "getaway" vehicle, as leaving an alleged crime scene surely is a violation of protocol, if that's what the man did.

Early days, but not a good look, any way Noem or trump spin it.

Joeff's avatar

There should be an APB out for him.

J Thomas's avatar

No doubt, Stephen Miller already has a stack of signed pardons on his desk. All that remains is filling in the killer’s name.

anon emous's avatar

State charges. Federal pardons don't apply.

Nancy's avatar

And what can we do to stop them when the law doesn't matter, ala DJT and Miller and their own lawlessness!

L.'s avatar

I can't get over how criminally reckless it was to shoot someone in the face who was driving with a passenger in the car.

Brooks Pleninger's avatar

Even without. What if the car sped down the road with a dead person at the wheel and - instead of running into parked cars, which it did thank god - ran over someone, or people, or into a busy intersection, or crashed into a gas station? So many different possibilities. That’s obviously why police go to the lengths they do during chases using spike strips, controlled ramming, etc, rather than just offing the person.

Martha Osgood's avatar

What are ICE’s exact orders. To terrorize ordinary people on purpose? To commit outrageous acts? To be threats? They are following Trump’s orders, but what exactly are their marching orders?

M Osgood's avatar

ICE orders are very different from police orders. The usual Justice Manual for Use of Deadly Force doesn't seem to be in the ICE Manual. https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force Show me the ICE MANUAL!

Michael Curry's avatar

Thank you so much. Wish you hadn’t mentioned who appointed her. We need to get away from that.

Chris Geidner's avatar

You're welcome, and not a chance.

J Thomas's avatar

Consistent with the orders and whims of the Fuhrer, and with the silent compliance of the Reichsgerict and Reichstag, Reichsfuhrer Noem has unleashed SS troops to employ any and all tactics, up to and including murder, against anyone who attempts to halt, slow, interfere with, record, observe or protest the brutality, arrest, or denial of constitutional rights of a member of the population identified by the Fuhrer as undesirable or otherwise targeted.

Nancy's avatar

She has herself said the same.

Barbara B's avatar

I counted - it took 10 seconds from the time the silver SUV/truck arrived behind Renee’s SUV, for the men to pile out and tell her to get out of her vehicle, and then for Steve Grove to kill her.

What excuse did the men have to yell at her like a criminal in 5 seconds??? What excuse did Steve Grove have to kill her 5 seconds later???

Did they ask her who she was, why she was in the road? NO - you can see this! Did anyone signal to Steve Grove that Renee was a danger? NO - you can see this!

10 seconds, PEOPLE!!!!

10 SECONDS !!!!!!!!!!!

Jennifer's avatar

Not here to make you feel worse, and you may already know this—Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy, was fatally shot in 2014 by Cleveland Police approximately two seconds after arriving at the park.

Neither of the two officers rendered life-saving aid. A medically trained FBI Agent who arrived four minutes later attempted life-saving measures but Rice died in the hospital the following day

Both deaths horrifying, both deaths needless and devastating to everyone who loved them.

Barbara B's avatar

That poor innocent young boy! I may have heard about this but don't remember this shooting specifically - there have been so many like that.. Why did they shoot him?

Jennifer's avatar

Barbara, thank you for receiving this record in the intended spirit. We are all so bereft and casting about for direction and a restorative way forward.

The police shooting of Tamir Rice was one of the formative, preventable tragedies in inspiring and solidifying–someone please correct me if I am incorrect in my account–the Black Lives Matter (BLM) restorative justice and social action movement. NPR, in particular, provided thoroughgoing reporting from the initial incident to the DOJ effectively closing the investigation of the two officers in, I think, 2020.

What is not in dispute is the language used when an individual reported seeing a young boy in the park playing with what appeared to be a gun. The caller underscored that it was probably fake or a toy. The narrative drew from tainted, racially-based misapprehensions, like the dangerous stereotypes of Black children appearing older, acting out primally, almost animal-like, as with the Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. That latter aspersion was deployed in court against “older” read: teenager shooting victims. However, Rice was still described as looking older than his age and, I think, bigger.

It was heartbreaking and if you do read NPR's reporting on the DOJ specifically, note how they detail the explanation having been carefully worded, more so than other statements of this type.

Be well, take care 💛

anon emous's avatar

Feeling like they can, partially.

Letting people like this feel like they can get away with it is like announcing open season on innocent people.

Nancy's avatar

I wish we should stop using the word "appeared." She tried to move her car forward, clear of the agents. The video shows that's that she was doing, not just what she "appeared" to be doing. Must we qualify everything, even though our (lying) eyes say otherwise?

Carole Roseland's avatar

Now They Shoot Poets

parked her Honda, blocked a swarm,

was approached and was unarmed

agent aimed, thrice fired his gun

shot to kill and not to stun

Offed a poet, mom and wife

took away her right to life

She stopped traffic, took a risk

now she’s called a terrorist

murdered by a goon from ICE

neutralized and sacrificed

don’t forget her, say her name

watch how easily she’s blamed

just remember why she died

no surprise now that they lie.

RIP Renee Nicole Good

J Thomas's avatar

From the video of the homicide scene, it appears that the masked so-called officers at the scene were wearing Border Patrol insignia. The geographic jurisdiction of Border Patrol is an area within 100 miles of a national or maritime border. Minneapolis is approximately 350 miles from the border with Canada and from Lake Superior. Does anyone know by what authority Border Patrol agents are operating in Minneapolis?

Richard Luthmann's avatar

This piece collapses under its own legal illiteracy. The Department of Justice Use-of-Force Policy is explicit: force is judged under objective reasonableness, not hindsight activism or viral video freeze-frames.

https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force

Deadly force is authorized when an officer reasonably believes a subject’s actions pose an imminent danger, including the use of a vehicle as a weapon. Vehicles are force multipliers. Period. The policy requires proportionality, warnings when feasible, and rapid decision-making under uncertainty—not the luxury of editorial narration.

Judge Sara Ellis issued findings in a separate protest case, later stayed for overbreadth. She did not write national use-of-force law. Courts do. And courts apply Graham v. Connor, not Law Dork vibes. ICE agents are trained under DOJ standards; compliance can evaporate in a heartbeat; a moving vehicle can kill in seconds. Conflating protest policing critiques with a dynamic vehicle encounter is reckless.

This article doesn’t analyze policy. It prosecutes a narrative. DOJ policy doesn’t demand martyrdom. It demands survival, restraint when possible, and decisive action when necessary. If you want accountability, apply the actual standard—not a political one.

M Osgood's avatar

What IS the policy? I want to read it. I want to know the instructions ICE is working under.

Barbara Grinell's avatar

Trump and his allies are corrupted. The work you do is critical!