It's past time for Trump to be removed from office. This is a global crisis. It's time for J.D. Vance and the Cabinet to invoke the Twenty-Fifth Amendment.
Chris, thank you for saying what so many are thinking. I’m wondering something. If such a proceeding were to start, is there something in the amendment that would stop Trump from firing the members of his cabinet who were involved?
So: per the 25th, the VP and a majority of cabinet heads all need to agree the president is unfit for duty. That's Vance plus a majority of the following:
- Gabbard (DNI)
- Hegseth (DoD)
- Bessent (Treasury)
- Burgum (Interior)
- Chavez-DeRemer (Transportation)
- Collins (VA)
- Duffy (Transportation)
- Greer (Trade Rep)
- Kennedy (HHS)
- Loeffler (SBA)
- Lutnick (Commerce)
- McMahon (Education)
- Rollins (Agriculture)
- Rubio (State)
- Turner (HUD)
- Vought (budget)
- Wright (Energy)
- Zeldin (EPA
I'm not sure about all those names, but they're all listed as cabinet members and I know for a fact that they haven't yet been fired. Mullin (Homeland Security) and whoever's gonna replace Bondi don't count until confirmed by Congress.
So that's about eighteen people, ten of whom need to vote "yes" on invoking the 25th. Let's say Vance gets his 10 organized. They send a letter to Congress: "Trump can't do his job anymore. We're taking over."
Trump hears about this. He sends his own letter: "Actually, I'm fine. Give me back control." He then starts frantically trying to fire anyone who wants him 25th'd.
Vance and the cabinet send another letter in. "No, he can't do his job. Meet and sort it out."
It would almost certainly go to the Supreme Court, as this has never been done before.
I don’t see a majority of those sycophantic cabinet members voting to remove trump. Not going to happen. However much it is deserved and appropriate and necessary.
Upon the reception of the initial letter from Vance, Vance becomes Acting President, and Trump can no longer fire anyone. The power does not return to Trump until 21 days after Congress is required to convene, Congress voting to give the power back to Trump, or by Vance's consent.
It won't happen. It wouldn't even happen if he were face down in a bowl of soup, the intended use for the 25th. It doubly won't happen when he is conscious and able to object, since that would require 2/3rds of both houses of Congress. It triply won't happen because the people who would initiate it are deliberately selected to be the kind of people who wear shoes that are too big to please him. We aren't going to be saved. They just introduced articles of impeachment, much easier to do than the 25th. That also won't happen.
Of course it should happen. But our country is so polarized that party loyalty overrides the concept of doing the right thing for the good of all. I’m convinced no Republican legislator will ever cast a vote against Trump. None of those people have any courage.
Hilary was so rich when she said that his man was not fit to be Commander in Chief. Nobody took her seriously. Now we're all paying the price of not trusting the judgement of a competent, experienced, level-headed and resilient woman.
I appreciate your opinions, but at this point, the Amendment is a dead letter. A cabinet filled with loyalists will never take power away from Trump. Impeachment is also not an option. This is a sad time for our country.
URGENT! Please CALL CONGRESS & WH TODAY to oppose the insanity of drümpf’s “premeditated war crimes”. you can use @Raven’s concise & powerful script linked below. in addition to your own senators & rep, you can also talk to Jefferies, Schumer, Thune or squeaker of the house, as they all rep national coalitions. Or so I been told, & will verify today myself! Tip: block your caller ID by dialing congress as follows: *672022243121 (ya, i know: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you 😱)
It seems the Republicans in Congress are stuck like glue & don’t take Trumps dangerous rhetoric seriously at all . . . I fear that until he actually DOES something vile, like deploy a nuclear weapon or intentionally target & kill innocent Iranian civilians, they’ll just write it off as “Trump being Trump” . . . actually preventing a vile act doesn’t appear to be in the cards . . . 😢🤷♀️
He already killed a bunch of children and teachers in Iran -- and I don't recall any Republicans seeming very concerned about that. At this point, I don't know what it would take...
I really appreciate that you share with us a lot of information in such an admirably succinct way that we could never put together ourselves in such an understandable way - this is so sorely needed at this time.
Theoretically, couldn't Congress invoke the 25th Amendment? Sec. 4 seems to provide a remedy if the cabinet is filled with sycophants. It includes the following clause "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide." If Congress were to immediately pass legislation (unlikely) with a veto proof majority (unlikely) that appoints say, 5 members of Congress to a 25th Amendment commission, they could invoke the 25th Amendment and transmit the written declaration as required. Obviously, at this point, this would be too little and too late for the people of Iran. All we can do is pray that saner minds prevail and military leaders refuse any order to commit war crimes and/or genocide.
I know that you are right! I pray that those with the power will do what is right for once! This is the one thing that could actually save our country 🩵
Trump is committing war crimes against Iran; he must be stopped immediately, and impeached NOW!
Chris, thank you for saying what so many are thinking. I’m wondering something. If such a proceeding were to start, is there something in the amendment that would stop Trump from firing the members of his cabinet who were involved?
So: per the 25th, the VP and a majority of cabinet heads all need to agree the president is unfit for duty. That's Vance plus a majority of the following:
- Gabbard (DNI)
- Hegseth (DoD)
- Bessent (Treasury)
- Burgum (Interior)
- Chavez-DeRemer (Transportation)
- Collins (VA)
- Duffy (Transportation)
- Greer (Trade Rep)
- Kennedy (HHS)
- Loeffler (SBA)
- Lutnick (Commerce)
- McMahon (Education)
- Rollins (Agriculture)
- Rubio (State)
- Turner (HUD)
- Vought (budget)
- Wright (Energy)
- Zeldin (EPA
I'm not sure about all those names, but they're all listed as cabinet members and I know for a fact that they haven't yet been fired. Mullin (Homeland Security) and whoever's gonna replace Bondi don't count until confirmed by Congress.
So that's about eighteen people, ten of whom need to vote "yes" on invoking the 25th. Let's say Vance gets his 10 organized. They send a letter to Congress: "Trump can't do his job anymore. We're taking over."
Trump hears about this. He sends his own letter: "Actually, I'm fine. Give me back control." He then starts frantically trying to fire anyone who wants him 25th'd.
Vance and the cabinet send another letter in. "No, he can't do his job. Meet and sort it out."
It would almost certainly go to the Supreme Court, as this has never been done before.
I don’t see a majority of those sycophantic cabinet members voting to remove trump. Not going to happen. However much it is deserved and appropriate and necessary.
Upon the reception of the initial letter from Vance, Vance becomes Acting President, and Trump can no longer fire anyone. The power does not return to Trump until 21 days after Congress is required to convene, Congress voting to give the power back to Trump, or by Vance's consent.
It won't happen. It wouldn't even happen if he were face down in a bowl of soup, the intended use for the 25th. It doubly won't happen when he is conscious and able to object, since that would require 2/3rds of both houses of Congress. It triply won't happen because the people who would initiate it are deliberately selected to be the kind of people who wear shoes that are too big to please him. We aren't going to be saved. They just introduced articles of impeachment, much easier to do than the 25th. That also won't happen.
I mention impeachment, but it is not immediate. As for whether it will happen or not, that does not bear on whether it should (or even must) happen.
Of course it should happen. But our country is so polarized that party loyalty overrides the concept of doing the right thing for the good of all. I’m convinced no Republican legislator will ever cast a vote against Trump. None of those people have any courage.
polarized my ass. people will literally be dancing in the streets. from nyc to birmingham to pocatello idaho.
Hilary was so rich when she said that his man was not fit to be Commander in Chief. Nobody took her seriously. Now we're all paying the price of not trusting the judgement of a competent, experienced, level-headed and resilient woman.
I appreciate your opinions, but at this point, the Amendment is a dead letter. A cabinet filled with loyalists will never take power away from Trump. Impeachment is also not an option. This is a sad time for our country.
URGENT! Please CALL CONGRESS & WH TODAY to oppose the insanity of drümpf’s “premeditated war crimes”. you can use @Raven’s concise & powerful script linked below. in addition to your own senators & rep, you can also talk to Jefferies, Schumer, Thune or squeaker of the house, as they all rep national coalitions. Or so I been told, & will verify today myself! Tip: block your caller ID by dialing congress as follows: *672022243121 (ya, i know: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you 😱)
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Funny, if anyone else were to post this on social media, the (past) FBI or sim. would be at their doorstep.
It seems the Republicans in Congress are stuck like glue & don’t take Trumps dangerous rhetoric seriously at all . . . I fear that until he actually DOES something vile, like deploy a nuclear weapon or intentionally target & kill innocent Iranian civilians, they’ll just write it off as “Trump being Trump” . . . actually preventing a vile act doesn’t appear to be in the cards . . . 😢🤷♀️
He already killed a bunch of children and teachers in Iran -- and I don't recall any Republicans seeming very concerned about that. At this point, I don't know what it would take...
Couldn’t agree more!
Why people have such faith in 25th, which takes MORE votes than impeachment/removal is beyond me.
We are at a pivotal moment in our nation's life - which will determine how much life our country has left.
Do you actually think that for one moment the spineless Republican sycophants will do the right thing?
We all wish it would happen, just don't hold your breath waiting for it.
Unfortunately, he's in a Hungarian castle, sucking Orban's dick. :( oh well. Nice knowing you- humanity.
I really appreciate that you share with us a lot of information in such an admirably succinct way that we could never put together ourselves in such an understandable way - this is so sorely needed at this time.
Theoretically, couldn't Congress invoke the 25th Amendment? Sec. 4 seems to provide a remedy if the cabinet is filled with sycophants. It includes the following clause "or of such other body as Congress may by law provide." If Congress were to immediately pass legislation (unlikely) with a veto proof majority (unlikely) that appoints say, 5 members of Congress to a 25th Amendment commission, they could invoke the 25th Amendment and transmit the written declaration as required. Obviously, at this point, this would be too little and too late for the people of Iran. All we can do is pray that saner minds prevail and military leaders refuse any order to commit war crimes and/or genocide.
Trump needs to be removed from office. Period.
I know that you are right! I pray that those with the power will do what is right for once! This is the one thing that could actually save our country 🩵