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Nancy Jane Moore's avatar

I assume you are aware of the case by patients against Stanford in California, raising the same issues as in the NY case and citing the subpoena to that hospital since they haven't seen the one to the Stanford hospital. https://www.advocate.com/health/transgender-health/lawsuit-stanford-transgender-care-subpoena

Also, thanks for your thorough coverage of this very important issue.

Chris Geidner's avatar

Thanks! They're not suing DOJ or the feds, but I have added it in.

Deb CJ's avatar

Echoing Ms. Moore's thanks for your thorough coverage of this important civil rights issue!

Ed Luwish's avatar

Under what Federal law is such care illegal? No “Executive Order” counts. I’d like to know what bill was signed by the president, and the text of the law.

Michelle Belmont's avatar

Does that even matter when the entire legal system is being weaponized? The cases could be (and certainly are) totally bogus and not grounded in ANY law, but the harm isn't in the conviction and punishment. They use the legal process itself AS the weapon, to get the information they want while spending our tax dollars to force organizations and hospitals to burn through their legal resources. It doesn't matter how far these cases get, or what legal basis they have in the law. The presumption of regularity in the US government is allowing DOJ to be used as a legal machine gun, spread firing at the entire leftist movement (more specifically the trans healthcare system in this case) and looting any targets they manage to hit.

Freddie Baudat's avatar

It occurs to me, and I’d bet many others, that whatever gains DOJ makes against patient privacy and/or having the ability to interfere with patient care won’t be limited to gender affirming care. Everyone potentially, eventually, will have a stake in this. I think. Is that correct?

Jordan Thayer's avatar

Why would I care if the government looked at my health records?

Michelle Belmont's avatar

Are you absolutely crazy? I mean aside from the fact that we have HIPAA to protect patient data... like, I'm sorry, only an idiot with privilege says "Why would I care if my government spies on me? I have nothing to hide." One of the biggest concerns about this particular action is that the government wants trans people's data so that they can track us for future actions against us. But also, think about other ramifications. Let's say you're a leftist who votes Democrat, and you saw a therapist once. That goes in your record. Then the government says "Ahh, you have a history of mental health problems." and takes away your right to bear arms. Or your right to vote. Sure, these seem far fetched... to people who haven't experienced this type of discrimination before. But it's been done, in authoritarian regimes throughout history.

Jane Hensley's avatar

Of course we can trust the government not to abuse that info once they have it. Because DOJ demonstrated such integrity in redacting and publishing all of the Epstein files. And DHS and DOJ have been so honest and transparent about all things ICE. And the govt would never misuse private info in social security rolls, voter rolls, and voting histories to influence the midterms. 🙄

Freddie Baudat's avatar

Of course! Naturally.

Susan V's avatar

Willful obtuseness

Jordan Thayer's avatar

I agree with you, your concerns do seem far fetched.

Michelle Belmont's avatar

Go on Youtube and find the Tom Stoppard TV play "Professional Foul."

Ed Luwish's avatar

The entire legal system has been compromised, that’s for sure. But by the same argument, everything we do is in vain, whatever we do, especially obeying the law. The way to return to a nation of laws, is for everyone to obey the law and hold accountable those who don’t.

Sure Trump ignores the laws, court orders, subpoenas and even the constitution. But he doesn’t really know the boundary between his immunity and criminal prosecution. He’s desperately afraid of the midterms, because he’ll be impeached and removed from office. He’s running out of time to limit voters, even if he “obliterates” the Postal Service. He’s no longer obeyed by all his puppets in Congress, and after the midterms, the entire cabinet will be impeached — do you think all Republican Senators think Hegseth is a great Secretary of Defense (gulp, I mean War, which will go the way of the Gulf of America). Plus, he’s dying, and everyone who hates him, including Vance, will close in. Staunch MAGA supporters don’t even vote for his picks in the primaries.

You are right. The law has been corrupted and can’t be resurrected by anyone who has the power and courage to do it. But by strict adherence to law, and our refusal to let the .1% rule the world or steal all our assets, we have a chance. Even with the redistricting there’s no guarantee that the people left will choose corrupt Republicans.

It will take many years to undo enough of the damage to start feeling free again. We have to respect and trust one another, and stand our ground against Fascists. We can then restore kindness to the Federal and State governments and budgets.

The “stupidity” of the masses is born of religious nationalist leaders who profit from ignorance. But when they realize that there’s no “them” for budget cuts, that they will lose along with the neighbors who they think are stealing Healthcare and jobs from them, it will take time to find out they are in deep trouble, and their beloved pastors, who are really stealing their money, have left town. There is no “them” to blame, only “us”.

Michelle Belmont's avatar

Well I would agree with what you're saying here, except I ALSO think we have to go much further. We need a new legal system framework in which there are penalties for filing bogus lawsuits like this. Kat Abughazaleh (and others) was sued by the DOJ for simply being at an ICE protest, and even though the court threw the case out in the very first hearing, she's still something like $10,000 in legal debt. We HAVE to defang the weaponization of legal fees and penalize anybody, even the DOJ, who brings these kinds of animus suits against people, hospitals, politicians, and other political opponents.

And that's just step one of the reforms we need to see. We need an ENTIRE Reconstruction, we need to finish the work that freed African Americans fought for and white Americans have fought to destroy. And we need to extend it to queer people, to trans people, to Muslims, to any other minority that's being targeted. We need to build an America in which EVERYONE has true freedom and "equity" is not a dirty word, but instead an (admittedly imperfect at times) ladder that we use to bring everybody up to the same level.

Ed Luwish's avatar

One step will be to assemble a team of lawyers to provide pro bono assistance to victims of dilatory civil lawsuits, and to penalize the DoJ for filing them, and bill the supposed victims for all legal fees. The DoJ must have a higher standard for filing administrative subpoenas, instead of handing them out like Halloween candy, to ICE as well as people who use the courts to harass parties with cases the accuser will lose.

Ed Luwish's avatar

Highly placed public figures should be prohibited from filing defamation lawsuits when they can’t prove monetary damages. And charged with criminal perjury if the evidence cannot be backed up by neutral parties.

Susan V's avatar

Evil, the whole lot of them. Those records are nobody's goddamn business.

Shelley Powers's avatar

Excellent investigation and reporting pulling all these pieces together.

It is frustrating that none of the so-called mainstream media is bothered to report on this egregious use of the justice system to attack children.

David J. Sharp's avatar

Well, of course! Sexuality as defined by a many-time sexual offender … makes sense in our new Bizzaro World!

Freddie Baudat's avatar

There’s a song that has been playing in my head these past few days. “What’s It To Ya” sung to the tune of the Hallelujah Chorus, you know *The Messiah* one where we’re supposed to stand up. Artist: Bob Rivers & Twisted Radio. I think you’ll enjoy it. https://youtu.be/F45EuGKE5rY?si=jUwHan8suLZQC-jv

(don’t worry, it only clocks in at 2:30 minutes, not nearly as long as Handel’s version. 😏)

What's it to ya?

What's it to ya?

What's it to ya?

What's it to ya?

Why don't you go about your own business?

What's it to ya?

It's none of your concern

So just buzz off

It's none of your concern

So just buzz off

So just buzz off

Victoria Brown's avatar

Thank you Chris. Excellent work in pulling it all together.