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Jacobs-Meadway Roberta's avatar

In my many years litigating in Federal courts, I saw on some few occasions some inexperienced lawyers out of their depth. I never saw this degree of bad lawyering, unethical conduct and disregard for the responsibilities members of the bar owe the courts and their profession.

Eeee's avatar

ICE is used to working with immigration judges who are political appointees and employees of the executive branch, and who generally function as part of the prosecution team. They seem truly stunned to have to deal with real judges who care about fair and neutral application of the law.

Thomas's avatar

These new district "judges" are political activists who legally don't have a substantial role in immigration matters but are trying to slow down the Trump agenda

David J. Sharp's avatar

I guess the “reasoning” is, If the president and attorney general can ignore the law, anyone can.

Naomi Olivia's avatar

Chris, thank you for continuing to highlight my community when it would be much easier to focus on anything else. I appreciate it more than you could ever know.

Susan Linehan's avatar

it took me about 30 seconds on google to find "If you have a total population of 75 items, a statistically strong sample typically ranges between 43 and 63 items, depending on your required precision." Not twelve, and particularly not the "first twelve." Rosen doesn't seem any more proficient at Google than he is as a prosecutor.

Percy's avatar

But if you only use AI or more likely, LLM, you gets what you pay for. I heard a great report on BBC radio last weekend on errors in LLM useage in research papers; an LLM citation in a paper was to "first name, last name, others."

Susan Linehan's avatar

I'm far from being a statistician. Is that statement wrong?

Percy's avatar

Probably not. Just a warning.

Susan Linehan's avatar

i don’t actually “rely” on AI much at all. I know enough about the stuff I ask it (mainly citations to statutes or similar) to know when it is leading me awry. There were multiple results that dealt with what a statistical strong sample was, not just the AI.

Percy's avatar

Just to be clear, I was not in any way criticizing you, or your use of AI. It just made me think of the study I had heard about.

Susan Linehan's avatar

oh yeah. There have been cases where an attorney used AI to write a brief and the AI just made up citations. The courts were not amused.

US Blues's avatar

Sounds like those DOJ “attorneys” are arguing for an audience of one.

Ed Walker's avatar

The legal system doesn't work if parties refuse to comply with court orders. The legal system doesn't work if lawyers show up to defend non-compliance. And it won't work if parties like Trump, Miller and Noem are indifferent to compliance.

Judge Shiltz is right. Working for Trump, Miller, and Noem is a test of character. If you do their bidding, you are complicit. If you are anything but candid about the refusal to comply, you are failing the test of character. Litman was trying to have it both ways. He failed the test of character. Jenny Le, on the other hand, was frank about the failure and her efforts to obtain compliance. She passed the test of character.

Judge Shiltz has other options. He can report Dan Rosen to the Disciplinary Board for his obvious misrepresentations to the Court and his personal attack on Judge Shiltz. Comment 7 to Rule 8.4 of the Model Code of Professional Conduct says that public officials like Rosen have greater responsibility to uphold the law than private counsel.

Judge Shiltz can bar Rosen from further appearances in his court on the grounds that he's not trustworthy.

Both can be done sua sponte.

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Lilli K's avatar

It's about time. Let's see now what happens when the courts start to hold some of these people in contempt. We are exhausting our options.

Linda Friedman Ramirez's avatar

I’m waiting for the time when an Article III judge cites Pam Bondi to a contempt hearing. She so much belongs in custody until her case can be reviewed….

Judy's avatar

Excellent reporting.

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Margaret Fisher SF Bay Area's avatar

Not sure what exactly you mean? Sincerely. Seems to me we have laws and it matters to the people of this nation that “most of those who undertake being an attorney or judge” intend on doing their best to understand and try to follow precedent and our basic tenets of the constitution. It matters to me and the average person.