Re: Alito’s “misunderstanding” — he had no qualms putting a potential target on Justice Sotomayor’s back by joining the Vasquez Perdomo decision … so hypocrisy much?
Inasmuch as Alito did not elaborate on the nature of the misunderstanding, it would be a little difficult to assess the likelihood that a misunderstanding of some sort occurred. Apart from the fact that no elaboration was provided and the fact that you harbor unhinged contempt for the man—what convinces you that there was no misunderstanding of any sort? More to the point, what in your view does account for Alito’s supplemental remarks, if not some misunderstanding?
It's worth noting that Scalia understood that under the Lawrence analysis, the next domino that was going to fall was the state prohibitions on same-sex marriage. In his dissent in Lawrence, he wrote "State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers' validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today's decision; the Court makes no effort to cabin the scope of its decision to exclude them from its holding." I'm fairly sure that masturbation, adultery, and fornication were already legal in all 50 states when he wrote that, but yup, he was right on the money about same-sex marriage.
"Biological males" is a phrase that was developed to distort the issue and make it all sound so simple. Biology is complicated. Social dynamics around gender are complicated.
I have breasts, a vagina, my body runs on estrogen, makes no testosterone and in random public interactions people call me ma'am or miss. I fail to see how I am a biological male and yet that's what certain people want to label me as.
"A little cruder would be 'males with penises' don't belong in women's spaces."
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate that you're thinking about this more in a more naunced way than many.
The way the laws are written that have been passed regarding sports, bathrooms, and lockerrooms, no such distinction is made to limit them to "people with penises", they tied the restriction to sex assigned at birth.
In fact, for laws that restrict bathroom and lockerroom usage based on sex assigned at birth, the result is to actually require that some people with penises use the women's facilities (i.e. somebody assigned female at birth who has had a phalloplasty, has a body that runs on testosterone, and has facial hair).
If the goal is to make people comfortable, laws written like this make no sense. People's comfort in gendered interactions isn't based on invisible XX or XY chromisomes, it's based on appearance and mannerisms.
Not sure how one has a vagina and a penis? I know that some people have mixed chromosomal signals and life is likely complicated for them as to where they fit but that does not mean everyone else has to accommodate them. I think it still boils down to - if you have male genitals you don't belong in female spaces or sports.
“The good news, and the reminder of Lawrence, is that a relatively short time later — longer than it should have been, but short in constitutional terms — the court was able to acknowledge that “laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress.”
The near entire fascist unelected purjurer SCOTUS judges’ shadow docket pogroms overturning of Americans’ rights needs to be reversed and perjurer maga judges indicted and disbarred.
Light in the darkness. We need these exercises. Thanks.
I think Kennedy was so right: in each generation We must find in the Constitution the means to continue to to expand human freedom
Re: Alito’s “misunderstanding” — he had no qualms putting a potential target on Justice Sotomayor’s back by joining the Vasquez Perdomo decision … so hypocrisy much?
And he's the only one bringing up free speech. When it comes to the age verification fight. (pointed out by Cathy Gellis.)
I don't say this to praise Alito. Is that if he's the only one bringing this up, then there's a problem. We are so screwed.
He also had the “honor” of penning Mullin v. Roe—it ain’t racism - O we conservatives have eliminated that - it’s just political.
Dare I ask, what the hell that is?
Yesterday’s (heartless) removal of temporary protection status from Haitians and Syrians: Mullin v. Al Otro Lado
Ridiculous and a damn shame.
I appreciate that you have found an excellent quote to remind us things can get better.
Thank you
Inasmuch as Alito did not elaborate on the nature of the misunderstanding, it would be a little difficult to assess the likelihood that a misunderstanding of some sort occurred. Apart from the fact that no elaboration was provided and the fact that you harbor unhinged contempt for the man—what convinces you that there was no misunderstanding of any sort? More to the point, what in your view does account for Alito’s supplemental remarks, if not some misunderstanding?
It's worth noting that Scalia understood that under the Lawrence analysis, the next domino that was going to fall was the state prohibitions on same-sex marriage. In his dissent in Lawrence, he wrote "State laws against bigamy, same-sex marriage, adult incest, prostitution, masturbation, adultery, fornication, bestiality, and obscenity are likewise sustainable only in light of Bowers' validation of laws based on moral choices. Every single one of these laws is called into question by today's decision; the Court makes no effort to cabin the scope of its decision to exclude them from its holding." I'm fairly sure that masturbation, adultery, and fornication were already legal in all 50 states when he wrote that, but yup, he was right on the money about same-sex marriage.
And we do have Scalia to thank for the choice phrase, “pure applesauce and jiggery pokery!” 🤣
No matter what else is decided about trans people, biological males never belong on a female sports team or locker room.
"Biological males" is a phrase that was developed to distort the issue and make it all sound so simple. Biology is complicated. Social dynamics around gender are complicated.
I have breasts, a vagina, my body runs on estrogen, makes no testosterone and in random public interactions people call me ma'am or miss. I fail to see how I am a biological male and yet that's what certain people want to label me as.
A little cruder would be 'males with penises' don't belong in women's spaces.
"A little cruder would be 'males with penises' don't belong in women's spaces."
Thanks for clarifying. I appreciate that you're thinking about this more in a more naunced way than many.
The way the laws are written that have been passed regarding sports, bathrooms, and lockerrooms, no such distinction is made to limit them to "people with penises", they tied the restriction to sex assigned at birth.
In fact, for laws that restrict bathroom and lockerroom usage based on sex assigned at birth, the result is to actually require that some people with penises use the women's facilities (i.e. somebody assigned female at birth who has had a phalloplasty, has a body that runs on testosterone, and has facial hair).
If the goal is to make people comfortable, laws written like this make no sense. People's comfort in gendered interactions isn't based on invisible XX or XY chromisomes, it's based on appearance and mannerisms.
Not sure how one has a vagina and a penis? I know that some people have mixed chromosomal signals and life is likely complicated for them as to where they fit but that does not mean everyone else has to accommodate them. I think it still boils down to - if you have male genitals you don't belong in female spaces or sports.
“The good news, and the reminder of Lawrence, is that a relatively short time later — longer than it should have been, but short in constitutional terms — the court was able to acknowledge that “laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress.”
The near entire fascist unelected purjurer SCOTUS judges’ shadow docket pogroms overturning of Americans’ rights needs to be reversed and perjurer maga judges indicted and disbarred.
Thoughtful and informative. Thanks for sharing
Happy Pride Chris! And to everyone the same.