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rc4797's avatar

I think there is likely to be a lot of litigation over what constitutes an “expressive product”. Those who want to pretend that this is a narrow reading either disingenuously or naively ignore that virtually all work in a largely service based economy has an expressive component. The example I have used is the STAPLES hypothetical. You want flyers printed up for a pro-choice rally. YOU designed them. It’s YOUR message. The franchise owner says making me print your fliers violates my religious beliefs. Go away. I say it’s not a “custom” service. ADF says every job is “custom” because the content of every flier request is different.

You have to be stupid or a liar to believe this is a narrow decision. And mark my words as these decisions - which ignore precedent and roll back rights already won - begin to pile up. 9 unelected people who represent a minority view fighting a culture war in a country of 300 million people WILL eventually trigger a response they are not going to like. They will find out that the Court as an institution is considerably more fragile than they imagine.

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I appreciate your analysis; it is one of the best I've read. I hesitate to state this publicly, but as someone who has professionally written or edited for most of my adult life and wouldn't ever want to be put in a position of of being compelled by the government to use my creative efforts to support something I disagree with, I can support the ruling ** when interpreted narrowly in the way that Carpenter did **. One of the main problems with this decision — and I'm glad you pointed it out, as few other analysts have — is that the ruling was based on a set of stipulations. And those stipulations may have not been the reality of what 303 Creative was planning to do.

Essentially, the Supreme Court made a ruling based on a hypothetical — and the hypothetical was written by the prevailing side.

Technically, with that narrow of an interpretation of the ruling, it would be possible to enforce a nondiscrimination law if a web designer were building a wedding website based on a template rather than designing every wedding website from scratch, as Lorie Smith presumably will be doing. I'm skeptical that that'll be the reality.

But you're right. This is 2023, and the ruling isn't going to be understood that narrowly until and unless a future Supreme Court says it should be. The court left totally unanswered what constitutes expressive conduct, and I fully expect we'll see that question litigated for the foreseeable future.

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