The Eighth Circuit issued an unsigned order Friday blocking the Saving on a Valuable Education, or SAVE, student loan program — and other related relief.
These types of rulings show that "Supreme Court reform" includes legislative responses to court rulings that address statutory holdings. These responses will have to carefully address the made-up major questions doctrine. It also will likely require breaking at least partially the filibuster since an optimistic result is a Senate with around 50-52 Democrats, not the sixty (or even a few less sometimes where one or more Republicans are willing to go along) necessary for normal cloture.
As a Floridan, thanks for shining a light on this. It's sad that our state participates in telling poor people (those on low-income repayment plans) they don't deserve student debt relief. This makes zero sense, and yet another example of the current hateful governing style.
It's still amazing to me that states can just outright join as plaintiffs onto cases in circuits they are not a part of. States are held to the rulings by the circuits they are under and this being allowed is honestly just a way to circumvent their own circuits because they might not be favorable to them. Also yeah the national injunction bs needs to be stopped. Along with a bunch of other things.
Law stuff aside - this is some of the worst partisan politics!!
Republicans love to lower taxes to the rich, corporate america and industrialists, to allow grifting from churches, and the politicians that had PPP loans got forgiveness..... but financially strapped college graduates (like teachers) ......"too bad fuck them" the Republicans say.
Can't loan forgiveness be an official act Biden can do now that he has immunity?
Because we know how Donald Trump will use immunity for "official acts" if he gets into the White House, he will use it with impunity.
Biden should absolutely do that. Then, when the berobed get all huffy, he should thumb his nose at them and say, in essence, "y'all fuckin' said, dude."
I simply cannot wrap my mind around Republicans and their weird fiscal logic. "The taxpayers can't afford to miss out on that student loan repayment money!" Yet (YET!) they are all in on reducing billionaire & corporate tax rates, to tune of trillions, AND not funding the IRS to go after wealthy taxpayers not paying their fare share, also to the tune of trillions. Their lopsided views and their carefully planned partisan placements in the court system are beyond the pale. How do [not wealthy] conservative voters see all this and not even question the motivation?
If ever there were a situation where injunctive relief is *not* needed, it would seem to be debt forbearance. Other than blocking irrevocable loan forgiveness, what can’t be remedied post final judgment?
Other than sheer assholery, what could possibly be the rationale for trying to stop student loan forgiveness and the resulting economic benefit to citizens these fuckers are supposed to represent?
The sheer arrogance of these Republican AG’s - why are Republicans always so mean spirited? Is it that they didn’t have to get student loans, so they don’t know what it is like to pay them?
This is how the red states are attempting to secede the Union, they are just going to ignore/block all federal laws. They've always hated the supremacy clause.
I am _six months_ from getting my Public Service Loan Forgiveness. I have the money set aside in my savings account. I just want to pay it off and be done with it, but these attorneys general are just wasting everybody's time and money.
Honestly, if they wanna keep issuing clear corrupt, extremely unpopular, partisan rulings in the lead up to the election, more power to them. Just means more pissed off people ready for the other branches to clean house on this busted branch of power
This is not a final ruling. If this ruling was allowed to remain — or if the Supreme Court issues a similar ruling — then SAVE would be gone. But, for now, I imagine the forbearance will remain in place — at least until the Supreme Court addresses all of this.
As for what would follow, it is not immediately clear and the Education Department would likely need to address that.
So I got the email saying I’m now in forbearance. No timeline for decision on SAVE. But the older programs still exist and aren’t that different from SAVE. I don’t really understand the problem with SAVE was & why the loans didn’t just revert to the former plan, which was REPAYE or PAYE?
God, like it’s not fucking stressful enough to have $60K in debt when I originally borrowed around $40K.
I cannot wait until Kamala wins, hires Jack Smith as AG and sets him loose on all these heartless, corrupt motherfuckers!! Ken Paxton, the MO dude, Thomas, all the coup plotters in Congress…
These types of rulings show that "Supreme Court reform" includes legislative responses to court rulings that address statutory holdings. These responses will have to carefully address the made-up major questions doctrine. It also will likely require breaking at least partially the filibuster since an optimistic result is a Senate with around 50-52 Democrats, not the sixty (or even a few less sometimes where one or more Republicans are willing to go along) necessary for normal cloture.
As a Floridan, thanks for shining a light on this. It's sad that our state participates in telling poor people (those on low-income repayment plans) they don't deserve student debt relief. This makes zero sense, and yet another example of the current hateful governing style.
It's still amazing to me that states can just outright join as plaintiffs onto cases in circuits they are not a part of. States are held to the rulings by the circuits they are under and this being allowed is honestly just a way to circumvent their own circuits because they might not be favorable to them. Also yeah the national injunction bs needs to be stopped. Along with a bunch of other things.
Law stuff aside - this is some of the worst partisan politics!!
Republicans love to lower taxes to the rich, corporate america and industrialists, to allow grifting from churches, and the politicians that had PPP loans got forgiveness..... but financially strapped college graduates (like teachers) ......"too bad fuck them" the Republicans say.
Can't loan forgiveness be an official act Biden can do now that he has immunity?
Because we know how Donald Trump will use immunity for "official acts" if he gets into the White House, he will use it with impunity.
Biden should absolutely do that. Then, when the berobed get all huffy, he should thumb his nose at them and say, in essence, "y'all fuckin' said, dude."
I simply cannot wrap my mind around Republicans and their weird fiscal logic. "The taxpayers can't afford to miss out on that student loan repayment money!" Yet (YET!) they are all in on reducing billionaire & corporate tax rates, to tune of trillions, AND not funding the IRS to go after wealthy taxpayers not paying their fare share, also to the tune of trillions. Their lopsided views and their carefully planned partisan placements in the court system are beyond the pale. How do [not wealthy] conservative voters see all this and not even question the motivation?
If ever there were a situation where injunctive relief is *not* needed, it would seem to be debt forbearance. Other than blocking irrevocable loan forgiveness, what can’t be remedied post final judgment?
Other than sheer assholery, what could possibly be the rationale for trying to stop student loan forgiveness and the resulting economic benefit to citizens these fuckers are supposed to represent?
The sheer arrogance of these Republican AG’s - why are Republicans always so mean spirited? Is it that they didn’t have to get student loans, so they don’t know what it is like to pay them?
And for that slimy TX AG to be part of this is especially galling!
Republicans are why Americans can't have nice things.
This is how the red states are attempting to secede the Union, they are just going to ignore/block all federal laws. They've always hated the supremacy clause.
Are we ever going to get to the "Now let them enforce it" stage???
Fuck republicans.
What happened to presidential immunity?
I am _six months_ from getting my Public Service Loan Forgiveness. I have the money set aside in my savings account. I just want to pay it off and be done with it, but these attorneys general are just wasting everybody's time and money.
Honestly, if they wanna keep issuing clear corrupt, extremely unpopular, partisan rulings in the lead up to the election, more power to them. Just means more pissed off people ready for the other branches to clean house on this busted branch of power
This is not a final ruling. If this ruling was allowed to remain — or if the Supreme Court issues a similar ruling — then SAVE would be gone. But, for now, I imagine the forbearance will remain in place — at least until the Supreme Court addresses all of this.
As for what would follow, it is not immediately clear and the Education Department would likely need to address that.
So I got the email saying I’m now in forbearance. No timeline for decision on SAVE. But the older programs still exist and aren’t that different from SAVE. I don’t really understand the problem with SAVE was & why the loans didn’t just revert to the former plan, which was REPAYE or PAYE?
God, like it’s not fucking stressful enough to have $60K in debt when I originally borrowed around $40K.
I cannot wait until Kamala wins, hires Jack Smith as AG and sets him loose on all these heartless, corrupt motherfuckers!! Ken Paxton, the MO dude, Thomas, all the coup plotters in Congress…