Thanks for highlighting this and ADFs role. If ADF is working for State Governments, don’t they have to disclose where they are getting their money? It would be great to know who is funding these kinds of efforts to hurt Trans kids. Doesn’t daylight kill vampires?
The Servant Foundation, a Christian grant-making organization, is a significant funder of the Alliance Defending Freedom.[64] The foundation donated over $50,000,000 to the Alliance Defending Freedom between 2018 and 2020, via the foundation's financial arm, The Signatry.[64][65][66] Other donors include the Covenant Foundation, the Bolthouse Foundation,[67] the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation,[68][58]: 84, 255 the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, and the Bradley Foundation.[69][70] The Charles Koch Institute donated $275,000 to ADF in 2020.[71] The M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, one of largest charities in the Pacific Northwest, donated nearly $1,000,000 to ADF from 2007 to 2016.[72]
Thank you. Yes, looks like their purpose is to defeat unions and LGBTQ but hidden under “nice titles” like supporting communities, encouraging collaboration etc. So interesting that they target Gays and Trans. I get anti Union- they want to control and keep wealth, But the huge effort to dominate others’ sexuality and gender is confusing. To what end? Is that just to garner support from the Christian Right? Sort of a side effort to ensure success at the polls? Dominating workers rights might not engender as much visceral support? As crushing those who are different than “us”!
This group is not only making life miserable for the students and their families, they are spewing hatred throughout our country. It is unwanted, abhorrent and has to be shutdown.
IMO Congress has to do something about nationwide injunctions. One federal judge in a forum shopped district shouldn't be able to enjoin activities outside of the district and the circuit affecting the rights of millions of people who are not even before the Court and have no input in the litigation.
I've often wondered if a court outside the circuit where the injunction was issued could declare that the injunction does not apply in that court's jurisdiction and if so could they do it on their own or would it require a case.
If they don’t care for their school’s curriculum, they can homeschool . To paraphrase , the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. one. That is to say one small faction can’t make unreasonable demands of the majority who would have it otherwise.
Um, we need to be careful here. It's too easy to slide into "the tyranny of the majority." Underlying the philosophical basis for Project 2025 is the idea that "Christians" are the majority, therefore whatever those "Christians" want takes precedence over the preference and rights of all others.
The principle of liberal democracy is "majority rule with full respect for the rights of the minority," which is why Viktor Orban dubbed his rule one of "illiberal democracy," i.e, democracy without the respect for the minority - which is just "tyranny oft he majority" that avoids use of the word "tyranny."
If education is a right, then government has a responsibility to ensure it is accessible - which as a practical matter means public schools. Homeschooling and private schools have always been an alternative, but the concept of public schools means they must be accessible to any who want to use them. Which also means, under the principles of liberal democracy, some say in how they are run.
This doesn't mean, as I hope is obvious, that the majority must cater to the minority, even a particularly loud one, but it does mean that "love it or leave it" doesn't suffice as policy.
Christian nationalists are indeed a minority, actually a relatively small one. Which is why I put the word "Christians" in quotation marks: They claim to be a majority by wrapping every Christian of any sort, segment, or sect into one package, regardless of actual theological disparities. In other words, it's marketing.
(If I ever do meet one in person, I intend to ask if Catholics are "Christian." Maybe I'll also ask about Unitarians.)
I think the right response to them is to say, in the words of the 5th Circuit COA in its decision approving lifetime voting bans for people convicted of certain felonies*, “go and convince the State legislatures. Do the hard work of persuading your fellow citizens that the law should change.”
That is, we say to them "You want to be treated as the majority? Then become the majority. 'Vox populi' does not refer to volume."
Finally, I wan to thank you for your kind last sentence. It is much appreciated.
(I have often joked that something that has helped me maintain my sanity is an ability to essentially at will turn any compliment into a slam and any slam into a compliment, so I was tempted to ask if you were serious or sarcastic but I figured you wouldn't get the joke so I didn't but now that I said that I probably still could but at this point there is no point so why am I still blathering on about it and....)
Can these folks be content withi their own religious beliefs,and not insist theirs’ is the only true overbearing way of faith? How antithetical to jesus’s teachings. I’m not sure this is what christ intended.
Judicial overreach is something that has to be focused on and addressed if possible.
These lawsuits are wrong on the merits & procedurally. "Moms for Liberty" is also a sort of Orwellian label but that's nothing new with these conservatives' groups.
I had a medical appointment with a particular medical specialty doctor last week at the University of Tennessee Medical Center, Knoxville, TN. The patient intake form asked me to circle one: Male, Female, Transgender. Now, knowing that transgender is an umbrella social description and not a medical one, I still circled transgender as I had no choice. Even the VA Community appointment request had Transgender on it, so I couldn't avoid it and didn't want to, anyway. But, this listing in the doctor's office made me realize that the only way this works for people like me in a medical setting is that the choices can only be male, female or intersex. And so, I have now declared myself to be intersex. And that's where we have always belonged. The listing could be broken down further into intersex transgender male or intersex transgender female if need be. Currently, the category brake down might as well be male, female, cis cross-dresser, gay drag queen, butterfly, bored, etc... as choices in a medical setting unless all LGBT+ are intersex. Even GLAAD advises "Transgender" should not be used as a noun as it is an adjective; like in "transgender male" or "transgender female". Well, that ship has sailed. And the choice of "transgender" listed next to male and female on a medical form, as opposed to a social form, still doesn't make anything more than superficial sense. As I understand the history, it all stems from conventional, superficial psychiatric supposition and psychological diagnostic bigotry as they deemed the LGBT+ psychologically damaged. Not medically damaged or biologically diverse. We got over a large part of that for a short while except for the 'transgender non-existence" kick the Primatives are still expounding socially and in court and who want to turn back the clock on all the LGB's as well.
I don't think Judge Broomes' injunction is "vague," I think it's somewhere between bizarre and bananas. I'm already distressed by circuit and event district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions - still, one that is not only potentially nationwide (since there was no limit placed on its application) but can't even specify where it does and doesn't apply (because it depended on information which was not then available to the court) is nothing short of bonkers.
Thank you, counselor. Just reading the highlights/snippets make my head hurt. Always always wonder what if all these efforts are put into helping ALL the children get good education, thrive and become successful in their lives and contribute to a better community? 😭💔 Everyone, every season while driving, walking I always marvel at the beauty of America and it hurts more to think that these evil cruel monsters are working to burn+destroy everything down and destroy everyone who's not like them/doesn't follow what they do/look different/have wrong color/race.
I thank you, and all the good people here for informing and educating even though it's so sad and pathetic; their insecurities and their own knowledge that they're not really superior yet to stay that way they must control everyone and everything.
Thanks for highlighting this and ADFs role. If ADF is working for State Governments, don’t they have to disclose where they are getting their money? It would be great to know who is funding these kinds of efforts to hurt Trans kids. Doesn’t daylight kill vampires?
It's mostly Dark Money.
From Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Defending_Freedom
The Servant Foundation, a Christian grant-making organization, is a significant funder of the Alliance Defending Freedom.[64] The foundation donated over $50,000,000 to the Alliance Defending Freedom between 2018 and 2020, via the foundation's financial arm, The Signatry.[64][65][66] Other donors include the Covenant Foundation, the Bolthouse Foundation,[67] the Edgar and Elsa Prince Foundation,[68][58]: 84, 255 the Richard and Helen DeVos Foundation, and the Bradley Foundation.[69][70] The Charles Koch Institute donated $275,000 to ADF in 2020.[71] The M.J. Murdock Charitable Trust, one of largest charities in the Pacific Northwest, donated nearly $1,000,000 to ADF from 2007 to 2016.[72]
Thank you. Yes, looks like their purpose is to defeat unions and LGBTQ but hidden under “nice titles” like supporting communities, encouraging collaboration etc. So interesting that they target Gays and Trans. I get anti Union- they want to control and keep wealth, But the huge effort to dominate others’ sexuality and gender is confusing. To what end? Is that just to garner support from the Christian Right? Sort of a side effort to ensure success at the polls? Dominating workers rights might not engender as much visceral support? As crushing those who are different than “us”!
"Is that just to garner support from the Christian Right?"
No - it's because they are the Christian right. They are it's preeminent legal force.
This group is not only making life miserable for the students and their families, they are spewing hatred throughout our country. It is unwanted, abhorrent and has to be shutdown.
IMO Congress has to do something about nationwide injunctions. One federal judge in a forum shopped district shouldn't be able to enjoin activities outside of the district and the circuit affecting the rights of millions of people who are not even before the Court and have no input in the litigation.
I've often wondered if a court outside the circuit where the injunction was issued could declare that the injunction does not apply in that court's jurisdiction and if so could they do it on their own or would it require a case.
What can we do to block this, if anything, at the state or local level if our schools are on the list?
These are the same groups that pour money into pro-voucher candidates and propaganda pieces
What ever happened to live and let live? Just so wrong.
Education is a right, no matter your orientation. We must defend public schools
If they don’t care for their school’s curriculum, they can homeschool . To paraphrase , the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. one. That is to say one small faction can’t make unreasonable demands of the majority who would have it otherwise.
Um, we need to be careful here. It's too easy to slide into "the tyranny of the majority." Underlying the philosophical basis for Project 2025 is the idea that "Christians" are the majority, therefore whatever those "Christians" want takes precedence over the preference and rights of all others.
The principle of liberal democracy is "majority rule with full respect for the rights of the minority," which is why Viktor Orban dubbed his rule one of "illiberal democracy," i.e, democracy without the respect for the minority - which is just "tyranny oft he majority" that avoids use of the word "tyranny."
If education is a right, then government has a responsibility to ensure it is accessible - which as a practical matter means public schools. Homeschooling and private schools have always been an alternative, but the concept of public schools means they must be accessible to any who want to use them. Which also means, under the principles of liberal democracy, some say in how they are run.
This doesn't mean, as I hope is obvious, that the majority must cater to the minority, even a particularly loud one, but it does mean that "love it or leave it" doesn't suffice as policy.
Edited to correct typos
Thank you for your very introspective response. However what i had meant was Christian nationalism as minority rule.
You have a lovely way of criticali thought.
Christian nationalists are indeed a minority, actually a relatively small one. Which is why I put the word "Christians" in quotation marks: They claim to be a majority by wrapping every Christian of any sort, segment, or sect into one package, regardless of actual theological disparities. In other words, it's marketing.
(If I ever do meet one in person, I intend to ask if Catholics are "Christian." Maybe I'll also ask about Unitarians.)
I think the right response to them is to say, in the words of the 5th Circuit COA in its decision approving lifetime voting bans for people convicted of certain felonies*, “go and convince the State legislatures. Do the hard work of persuading your fellow citizens that the law should change.”
That is, we say to them "You want to be treated as the majority? Then become the majority. 'Vox populi' does not refer to volume."
Finally, I wan to thank you for your kind last sentence. It is much appreciated.
(I have often joked that something that has helped me maintain my sanity is an ability to essentially at will turn any compliment into a slam and any slam into a compliment, so I was tempted to ask if you were serious or sarcastic but I figured you wouldn't get the joke so I didn't but now that I said that I probably still could but at this point there is no point so why am I still blathering on about it and....)
*https://www.lawdork.com/p/fifth-circuit-mississippi-disenfranchisement
Moms for Liberty needs to be classified as a hate group, if it hasn't yet, and sued out of experience.
It is under southern poverty law center
Good. Now they need to be shut down.
They’re hillbilly terrorists shit 💩 straight out the Klan’s nasty ass.
Yep.
How do these jezebels even have standing ?
Can these folks be content withi their own religious beliefs,and not insist theirs’ is the only true overbearing way of faith? How antithetical to jesus’s teachings. I’m not sure this is what christ intended.
This type of hate confuses me and makes my brain get muddled.
People just want to be left alone and live their lives.
Judicial overreach is something that has to be focused on and addressed if possible.
These lawsuits are wrong on the merits & procedurally. "Moms for Liberty" is also a sort of Orwellian label but that's nothing new with these conservatives' groups.
I had a medical appointment with a particular medical specialty doctor last week at the University of Tennessee Medical Center, Knoxville, TN. The patient intake form asked me to circle one: Male, Female, Transgender. Now, knowing that transgender is an umbrella social description and not a medical one, I still circled transgender as I had no choice. Even the VA Community appointment request had Transgender on it, so I couldn't avoid it and didn't want to, anyway. But, this listing in the doctor's office made me realize that the only way this works for people like me in a medical setting is that the choices can only be male, female or intersex. And so, I have now declared myself to be intersex. And that's where we have always belonged. The listing could be broken down further into intersex transgender male or intersex transgender female if need be. Currently, the category brake down might as well be male, female, cis cross-dresser, gay drag queen, butterfly, bored, etc... as choices in a medical setting unless all LGBT+ are intersex. Even GLAAD advises "Transgender" should not be used as a noun as it is an adjective; like in "transgender male" or "transgender female". Well, that ship has sailed. And the choice of "transgender" listed next to male and female on a medical form, as opposed to a social form, still doesn't make anything more than superficial sense. As I understand the history, it all stems from conventional, superficial psychiatric supposition and psychological diagnostic bigotry as they deemed the LGBT+ psychologically damaged. Not medically damaged or biologically diverse. We got over a large part of that for a short while except for the 'transgender non-existence" kick the Primatives are still expounding socially and in court and who want to turn back the clock on all the LGB's as well.
Fuck these hateful assholes. The only thing that pisses me off more about them is knowing that they are [mis]raising children.
I don't think Judge Broomes' injunction is "vague," I think it's somewhere between bizarre and bananas. I'm already distressed by circuit and event district court judges issuing nationwide injunctions - still, one that is not only potentially nationwide (since there was no limit placed on its application) but can't even specify where it does and doesn't apply (because it depended on information which was not then available to the court) is nothing short of bonkers.
Thank you, counselor. Just reading the highlights/snippets make my head hurt. Always always wonder what if all these efforts are put into helping ALL the children get good education, thrive and become successful in their lives and contribute to a better community? 😭💔 Everyone, every season while driving, walking I always marvel at the beauty of America and it hurts more to think that these evil cruel monsters are working to burn+destroy everything down and destroy everyone who's not like them/doesn't follow what they do/look different/have wrong color/race.
I thank you, and all the good people here for informing and educating even though it's so sad and pathetic; their insecurities and their own knowledge that they're not really superior yet to stay that way they must control everyone and everything.