Children's Hospital of Philadelphia staff warned of "traumatic" effects if forced to provide patient information to the Trump admin. DOJ called the claims "meritless."
Yes, and it's worth noting that the leading case in the current doctrine of "Judicial Immunity" is Stump v. Sparkman, which was a case legalizing eugenics and child sterilization in the U.S.
The targeted hospitals and medical staff of these subpoenas better vigorously fight against the subpoenas, and go to court for this invasion of medical privacy laws. This radical right-wing regime has no right directing their personal hatred of trans persons to intimidate and harass people, and to prevent trans medical care. What would right-wing fanatics do if a federal administration forced all humans born with a penis to undergo mandatory vasectomies? I bet they'd call that massive overreach of their privacy. So is dictating that lawmakers and administrations can forbid trans care, and women's right to their own reproductive organs care. The ERA needs to be revised, and passed, with a provision that no lawmaking body in the US can enact any law regarding medical care in the US. That only a physician or medical provider with a patient can decide medical care.
It's true that Trump is commie/fascist. I hate him. But it's also true that the doctors, therapists and big pharma are engaged in medical experimentation for big money. I hate them too. I'm sorry that some children have gender dysphoria, just like I'm sorry that some people have mental illness. It doesn't mean that doctors were honest 80 years ago regarding lobotomy, or that doctors today are honest about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.
I am so exhausted and disgusted by the never ending scapegoating of transgender people—but it’s especially pernicious to go after children. I can’t imagine anything good coming from allowing the Trump Administration access to anyone’s medical records.
I say social transition, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are harmful and ineffective at treating gender dysphoria. Am I "scapegoating transgender people"?
It’s interesting (horrifying) that items 11 and 12 in the appendix do not specify that the information should relate to minor patients. The data being requested almost certainly includes minor patients who are now adults. I’d guess some adults may have also initiated their care at CHOP in their adulthood, despite it being a children’s hospital, because there are often limited resources to receive gender affirming care elsewhere.
CHOP’s argument challenging the subpoena is weak… Trauma to patients is hardly the worst part, and unfortunately can’t be expected to garner sympathy these days. The federal government is seeking to compile a list of transgender Americans. Let that sink in.
A complete & total invasion of a patience’s rights to privacy. The DOJ aim will be to exploit these juveniles once they get a hold of their information. I hope this court order isn’t overturn by some right winged maga judge
What's the likelihood the DOJ will drag its feet, provide nothing useful, and move to enforce the subpoenas anyway? Are there any consequences they can fear?
Us, organized and mobilized, in the streets. Dox every asshole involved. Play fucking dirtier than these worthless Nazi fuckers. Inject fear into the banal drones who make the machine move.
HIPA won't tell my husband about my health but the government should get all of someones records because DJT does not like what the do with there own body ? Sounds very dictatorial to me. Heil Donald.
Thank goodness these have been challenged. There is no justification for going after this information, but so many organizations are just rolling over for Trump I was afraid there wouldn't be one hospital willing to say No.
Thank you for this update, and yes, please keep us informed.
I realized, rather dizzyingly, that the only reason that this order doesn't directly impact a family member is that this family member moved out of state less than 100 days before the dates covered by subpoena, and was not receiving care on or after 1/1/2020.
Feeling a metaphorical bullet whiz by your head that closely is... really something.
The point is to terrify. Fucking scum. So much for “medical freedom.”
Make sure to excoriate and ostracize everyone in your life (if any still exist) who supports this Nazi garbage. No, they’re not “coming back.” They’re lost, they’re supporting omnicide, so fucking punish them. Hard. You know, something that matches the fact that via carbon-flooring alone they will destroy your children’s future.
Concentrate on getting nonvoting non-Trumpers on board.
All the lawyers and judges on both sides are being paid handsomely with YOUR money. Thus, the puppet show continues. Meanwhile, children are being experimented upon, and nobody is being held liable. It's lobotomy all over again. Medical records could easily be redacted. Closed courtroom—i.e the Star Chamber—equals brutal communistic tyranny.
All the lawyers and judges on both sides are being paid handsomely withe YOUR money. Thus, the puppet show continues. Meanwhile, children are being experimented upon, and nobody is being held liable. It's lobotomy all over again. Medical records could easily be redacted. Closed courtroom—i.e the Star Chamber—equals brutal communistic tyranny.
So much effort dedicated to intimidating - harming - a small minority seeking medical treatment … this is justice?
This is fascism.
With a side order of kleptocracy.
I suppose it is if you are a straight white male Fascist Nazi!
You could say precisely the same thing about mental patients 80 years ago who underwent lobotomy.
The Nazis did. As did the eugenics boosters.
Yes, and it's worth noting that the leading case in the current doctrine of "Judicial Immunity" is Stump v. Sparkman, which was a case legalizing eugenics and child sterilization in the U.S.
Dismal. And eugenics played a co-starring role in “Judgement At Nuremberg”.
"Gender Affirming Care" is another example of involuntary human medical experimentation. Trump pretends to be against it, be he's not really.
Not convinced Trump is aware of anything but his base bigotries and whatever he was last told.
The targeted hospitals and medical staff of these subpoenas better vigorously fight against the subpoenas, and go to court for this invasion of medical privacy laws. This radical right-wing regime has no right directing their personal hatred of trans persons to intimidate and harass people, and to prevent trans medical care. What would right-wing fanatics do if a federal administration forced all humans born with a penis to undergo mandatory vasectomies? I bet they'd call that massive overreach of their privacy. So is dictating that lawmakers and administrations can forbid trans care, and women's right to their own reproductive organs care. The ERA needs to be revised, and passed, with a provision that no lawmaking body in the US can enact any law regarding medical care in the US. That only a physician or medical provider with a patient can decide medical care.
It's true that Trump is commie/fascist. I hate him. But it's also true that the doctors, therapists and big pharma are engaged in medical experimentation for big money. I hate them too. I'm sorry that some children have gender dysphoria, just like I'm sorry that some people have mental illness. It doesn't mean that doctors were honest 80 years ago regarding lobotomy, or that doctors today are honest about puberty blockers and cross sex hormones.
I am so exhausted and disgusted by the never ending scapegoating of transgender people—but it’s especially pernicious to go after children. I can’t imagine anything good coming from allowing the Trump Administration access to anyone’s medical records.
I say social transition, puberty blockers and cross sex hormones are harmful and ineffective at treating gender dysphoria. Am I "scapegoating transgender people"?
Names and personal info are easily redacted. Chris Geidner and all judges and all lawyers know this.
Thanks for your reporting, Chris.
It’s interesting (horrifying) that items 11 and 12 in the appendix do not specify that the information should relate to minor patients. The data being requested almost certainly includes minor patients who are now adults. I’d guess some adults may have also initiated their care at CHOP in their adulthood, despite it being a children’s hospital, because there are often limited resources to receive gender affirming care elsewhere.
CHOP’s argument challenging the subpoena is weak… Trauma to patients is hardly the worst part, and unfortunately can’t be expected to garner sympathy these days. The federal government is seeking to compile a list of transgender Americans. Let that sink in.
Sadly, I think that's true. The Trump admin is NOT against the experiment continuing, or the money being made.
A complete & total invasion of a patience’s rights to privacy. The DOJ aim will be to exploit these juveniles once they get a hold of their information. I hope this court order isn’t overturn by some right winged maga judge
What's the likelihood the DOJ will drag its feet, provide nothing useful, and move to enforce the subpoenas anyway? Are there any consequences they can fear?
Us, organized and mobilized, in the streets. Dox every asshole involved. Play fucking dirtier than these worthless Nazi fuckers. Inject fear into the banal drones who make the machine move.
I agree, but dox the doctors and lawyers too while you're at it.
The DOJ always puts DJT on the fast tract but becomes a tortoise when the people need them to move to prevent injustice .
No consequences for either the DOJ or the doctors. None. Zero. It's lobotomy all over again.
HIPA won't tell my husband about my health but the government should get all of someones records because DJT does not like what the do with there own body ? Sounds very dictatorial to me. Heil Donald.
Thank goodness these have been challenged. There is no justification for going after this information, but so many organizations are just rolling over for Trump I was afraid there wouldn't be one hospital willing to say No.
Thank you for this update, and yes, please keep us informed.
It's a puppet show. Personal info can be redacted.
I realized, rather dizzyingly, that the only reason that this order doesn't directly impact a family member is that this family member moved out of state less than 100 days before the dates covered by subpoena, and was not receiving care on or after 1/1/2020.
Feeling a metaphorical bullet whiz by your head that closely is... really something.
It's just cruelty for the sake of politics. Thank you for the information.
The point is to terrify. Fucking scum. So much for “medical freedom.”
Make sure to excoriate and ostracize everyone in your life (if any still exist) who supports this Nazi garbage. No, they’re not “coming back.” They’re lost, they’re supporting omnicide, so fucking punish them. Hard. You know, something that matches the fact that via carbon-flooring alone they will destroy your children’s future.
Concentrate on getting nonvoting non-Trumpers on board.
All the lawyers and judges on both sides are being paid handsomely with YOUR money. Thus, the puppet show continues. Meanwhile, children are being experimented upon, and nobody is being held liable. It's lobotomy all over again. Medical records could easily be redacted. Closed courtroom—i.e the Star Chamber—equals brutal communistic tyranny.
All the lawyers and judges on both sides are being paid handsomely withe YOUR money. Thus, the puppet show continues. Meanwhile, children are being experimented upon, and nobody is being held liable. It's lobotomy all over again. Medical records could easily be redacted. Closed courtroom—i.e the Star Chamber—equals brutal communistic tyranny.
Thanks for covering this Chris! Please let us know more as this enoroumsouly important legal case trans people plays out.
It's unclear to me how a WA judge could assert jurisdiction over a MA hospital. The ox purportedy being gored is in someone else's field.
The case isn't being heard in WA and involves no WA folk or institutions. Why does Judge Butynski have any say in the proceedings?
Thanks for this heads up Chris. I can't imagine the State of Washington at least will comply with this bit of dangerous tomfoolery.