I'm not going to say "but" at this time when I see both Cheneys are endorsing Vice President Harris, a liberal from California. It's an act of principle.
I'm angry that Republicans don't do the bare minimum too often. This is more than that. Thank you.
Liz Cheney calling out Trump and Vance as "misogynistic pigs” is gravy.
I think you two are forgetting what the Bush presidency was actually like. Trump doesn’t come close to Cheney. Millions of people died from Cheney’s wars, and waterboarding was far from the worst kind of torture he sanctioned. Under his watch the CIA used rape, beatings, extended sleep or sensory deprivation, sexual humiliation, mock executions, and other unspeakable atrocities. As for corruption, Cheney is also in a league of his own. Trump was a bumbling crony making chump change compared to the massive network of fraud and self-enrichment Cheney orchestrated through Halliburton and other contractors. Harris saying she’s honored by his endorsement is horrifying and whitewashes one of the worst war criminals to ever walk this earth.
My original point was that a certified war criminal, Cheney, who’s totally ok with all those awful war crimes and corruption you so eloquently spell out, even HE thinks the convicted felon would be bad for America. Which makes the convicted rapist, & fraudster a really awful person. I loved Jon Stewart’s response to this news about Cheney. “Seriously, fuck that guy” Only he made it funny.
Someone being a horrible person does not make them uniquely perceptive of supposedly worse people. Let me take it a step further and illustrate my point with hyperbole. Would Hitler saying something is bad prove just how bad it is? Because if he’s so awful of course he would know if something was worse?
How can you look at the arc of Cheney’s career, the horrible massacres and genocide under his watch, the evisceration of rights and freedoms he orchestrated at home, and deign to consider his approval meaningful. Even in the most forgiving light, his opinion is not worth mentioning. Are you really excited to get a racist, corrupt, war-profiteer’s endorsement? Is the next article going to mention Putin backing Harris too? “Well sure he’s a tyrant waging a brutal war against our ally, but we need those people on our side too!”
What this really shows is Harris and the Democratic Party are far enough right that some republicans will be fine with her administration. Especially with so much of the rest of the branches captured by conservative ideology. How sad to think a pathetic nitwit like trump is all it takes to get y’all to join hands with fascist war-criminals in “solidarity”.
Remember that a full 80 years ago we accepted the support of literal Nazis to fight communism. Smuggled them out to avoid justice, installed them into our institutions, and wouldn’t ya know it they’re still fucking here. Organizing, marching in our streets, and often brushing shoulders with people just like Cheney. But hey, nearly a century of open nazism was worth it to beat the big, scary bad guys right? …right?
I do not concur. The earth moved yesterday with Dick Cheney’s endorsement (and Liz’ days before) NOT because any of us respect his horrific time as VP and in other ways he has served the Conservative movement and policies which many of us find abhorrent. But that such a figure of old-school Republicans would do such a thing is historical and definitely worth us all talking about. Liz Cheney also publicly supported Texan Colin Allred running against Ted Cruz for the U.S.Senate. This makes the first week of Sept 2024 a mind-blowing political moment perhaps akin to France and their recent election with a coalition formed between parties to subdue the rise of their radical right.
France is a great analogy for this but serves my point far better than yours…
Rather than nominate a prime minister from the party with the most seats, the leftist NFP (31%), Macron chose a right-wing republican (<7%), the major party with the least seats.
So essentially… he voluntarily called a snap election to please the far-right, who were poised to win. Despite him unnecessarily gambling the country with horrible odds, the left swooped in to save the country from fascists taking power. Then he turned his back on the popular will of the people and compromised with the fascists who’d just LOST rather than progressives who just WON.
Likewise, Harris will be happy to work closely with conservatives, accept their support and even nominate them to the her cabinet. She would sooner have a republican in her cabinet than any kind of real progressive.
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Having Liz Cheney in the right post could produce lasting dividends. But it would be only fair to have a progressive in the right post also. What is the FTC chair considered to be?
I realize that’s not a Cabinet post, but if I’m thinking of the right person, she’s a true breath of fresh air. Plus don’t forget Walz is a progressive.
Well said. It's disgusting seeing people celebrate this warmonger's endorsement as if he isn't a big part of how we got Trump and the openly fascist right. I guess it just shows how far to the far right both parties have gone on foreign policy
I get all of this. I would suggest that maybe you re-read the four carefully worded paragraphs that I wrote, which in no way conflict with any of this.
So, we now confirmed, as you did earlier, that the stock was not only sold but the "non-woke" stock was purchased. I'm sure getting a clearer picture of that vacation home, the Alito's own jointly, separate from their personal residence, that Alito should not be deciding cases where Martha Ann, as if she is separate from her husband's self-arbitration, flies a Trump flag, of sorts, to block her lagoon view of a PRIDE FLAG, in cases concerning "woke" issues. We all know what those are to MAGA fans. It is stunning. Sometimes I wish I just didn't know or care to know. But that just isn't the kind of American I am.
Yeah, we knew from the periodic transaction report that he bought and sold those stocks on that date. The only part we didn’t know was whether he had sold all of his AB stock at that time. The report posted today confirmed that he had.
Amazing that it just happens right out in the open, again. "They", P25, HF, et al., want self governance over government for people, who, of course, agree to such an idea. Problem is self arbiters, even at the current SCOTUS depravity level, aren't held to account for their lack thereof. From my viewpoint, it wouldn't go well, based on the cumulative resistance, to deference. Thanks, Chris.
In a smaller way we had this debate on the other side of the pond a few weeks ago. The Labour Party and its leader Keir Starmer were castigated for attracting support from ex Tory politicians and rich donors as well as some SW media barons. Yet it was that support which demonstrated to those who feared that Starmer was too left wing that he was safe to vote for and thus release us from the clutches of the Tory party after 14 long years.
The stakes in the U.S. are obviously far higher. The Tories are both useless and corrupt but unlike Trump they do not pose an existential threat to western democracy. Desperate times call for desperate measures. The endorsement of a former Republican VP, however vile a history he has, may well persuade just enough voters in swing states that Harris is not a dangerous Commie and therefore safe to vote for.
Your last sentence exactly captures it. I highly doubt Kamala asked Cheney for his endorsement, nor do I believe that Cheney finds any of Kamala's policies agreeable. I think it's literally just him not wanting to see democracy end and he's sharing publicly what he thinks that will take. The endorsement was given without input from Kamala, and it was clearly in Cheney's mind the lesser of two evils, rather than him endorsing her thinking she's just a great candidate
Before anyone congratulates Dick Cheney for endorsing Kamala, let's all take time to remember that he was a key architect of how we got Trump.
He thought Nixon was done wrong, never let it go, and was a hardcore proponent of expansive executive power.
Cheney helped get GWB elected and also decided he was the best candidate for Bush's VP while he led the search team for a VP.
Cheney lied to America about Saddam having WMD's (he didn't) and pushed hard and relentlessly for America to invade Iraq.
Cheney was a signatory to The Project for a New American Century, an obscure, small think tank that relentlessly pushed for America to invade a Middle East country with the naive position that doing so and planting the seeds of democracy would bring peace to the region. (Signatories include Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton and others, all of whom including Cheney should have been indicted for war crimes).
Dick Cheney, as a result of his machiavellian work, is complicit and partially responsible for the deaths of thousands of American GI's and Iraqis, the grief of their families, and the trillions of dollars America has spent on the Iraqi war and will continue to spend on caring for the broken vets who fought there.
Dick Cheney is no hero.
Dick Cheney has done more damage to America than possibly any single person this century (next to Trump).
Dick Cheney doesn't get a pass now that he's finally woken up to the danger of Trump, someone for whom he was pivotal in laying the foundation for what will be seen as the worst president and administration in American history.
Dick Cheney's vote for Kamala is WAY too little. And WAY too late.
Cheney is not a 'hero' and this one act doesn't erase the rest. This isn't like saying confession on your death bed or something. He is not getting "a pass."
He is doing something many other Republicans are not doing. That both shows just how bad Trump is and how bad other Republicans are for not doing even this one thing.
I remember and lived thru the Bush43 presidency. I strongly opposed it at the time. I still congratulate him for this act.
Yes you can, simply don’t be the party that fits Cheney’s values and he won’t endorse you. Those values of war-mongering, complacency to corporate interests, and poor public services/programs
That is not what this endorsement is about, and you have to aggressively ignore everything outside of Dick Cheney in order to even write that.
You cannot run an election claiming that a person is unqualified for office and would be dangerous in office and then be upset when others agree with you who ordinarily would not be aligned with you.
Dick Cheney is not going to become a part of the Democratic Party; he's voting for Harris over Trump in a binary choice. Which is exactly what all who want Harris to win — or want Trump to lose — should want to see.
Firstly, let me say my comments have been a bit inflammatory and that is tied to my opinion on Cheney, not a disagreement on basic principles.
I get that it’s a binary choice and that is obviously a good starting point for analysis. However, I don’t think his endorsement is a neutral event. I don’t trust someone who was a beneficiary of Bush v. Gore when he says someone who used lies and violence to try and steal an election is too great a threat. He literally laid the groundwork for such a threat… Brooks Brothers riots involved the use of violence to shut down a recount. I’m sure you know the rest better than me so I won’t lecture you. Lastly, this is the guy who championed egregious lies as a pretext for waging a devastating war of which the consequences are beyond measure.
This isn’t an earth-shattering decision by Cheney, but neither is it something to roll your eyes and dismiss without a modicum of suspicion or skepticism.
Thanks for your work and I do appreciate you engaging the discussion.
Let's also remember the big stink people made when, in 2016, Trump accepted an endorsement by David Dukes. Is Dick Cheney, the war and torture monger who repeatedly lied about Saddam Hussein having WMD's, and who promoted "enhanced interrogations" any different? To this day, Gitmo stands as a monument to America's lies and to Dick Cheney's reign of terror. Scum is scum. And who wants that stink to rub off on them, especially in a historic race for the presidency? I'm disappointed in Chris' response. Harris does not need Cheney's endorsement.
Excuse me. I personally find Cheney to be the most repulsive excuse of a human being to ever be in politics, and if I were Harris, I would disavow his endorsement. Cheney can vote however he wishes, of course.
What purpose would that serve though? Only to nullify the effect Cheney might have had swaying voters in swing states to vote for her? Practically, why would that be a good strategy? It's like saying "no one who agrees with Cheney or likes him should vote for me". Why shouldn't they? We need to win this election by as big a margin as possibly to counter any attempts by Trump to overthrow the results. Why turn those voters away?
Because it makes her look desperate and lacking in principles. Already, the opportunistic Trump has responded by calling himself the "peace president." If you think that won't sway some people, you're naive.
Barr said Trump should be nowhere near the Oval Office but he’d still vote for him. Pence refused to endorse him - why stick his neck out like that and then vote for the criminal in secret? Makes no sense
As much as I don't imagine him making a public statement, I can't imagine Pence is actually voting for the dude that called forth the mob that brought gallows for him 💀 I'm not even sure he's that nuts
I'm not going to say "but" at this time when I see both Cheneys are endorsing Vice President Harris, a liberal from California. It's an act of principle.
I'm angry that Republicans don't do the bare minimum too often. This is more than that. Thank you.
Liz Cheney calling out Trump and Vance as "misogynistic pigs” is gravy.
You know a Republican is truly evil when they are too evil for Dick Cheney.
https://samray.substack.com/p/what-is-evil-part-i
Exactly. Cheney thought waterboarding was cool 😎 Trump is worse than war criming.
trump war crimed by greenlighting the slaughter of our allies, the Kurds.
Amongst many other instances of crimes and corruption
I think you two are forgetting what the Bush presidency was actually like. Trump doesn’t come close to Cheney. Millions of people died from Cheney’s wars, and waterboarding was far from the worst kind of torture he sanctioned. Under his watch the CIA used rape, beatings, extended sleep or sensory deprivation, sexual humiliation, mock executions, and other unspeakable atrocities. As for corruption, Cheney is also in a league of his own. Trump was a bumbling crony making chump change compared to the massive network of fraud and self-enrichment Cheney orchestrated through Halliburton and other contractors. Harris saying she’s honored by his endorsement is horrifying and whitewashes one of the worst war criminals to ever walk this earth.
My original point was that a certified war criminal, Cheney, who’s totally ok with all those awful war crimes and corruption you so eloquently spell out, even HE thinks the convicted felon would be bad for America. Which makes the convicted rapist, & fraudster a really awful person. I loved Jon Stewart’s response to this news about Cheney. “Seriously, fuck that guy” Only he made it funny.
Someone being a horrible person does not make them uniquely perceptive of supposedly worse people. Let me take it a step further and illustrate my point with hyperbole. Would Hitler saying something is bad prove just how bad it is? Because if he’s so awful of course he would know if something was worse?
How can you look at the arc of Cheney’s career, the horrible massacres and genocide under his watch, the evisceration of rights and freedoms he orchestrated at home, and deign to consider his approval meaningful. Even in the most forgiving light, his opinion is not worth mentioning. Are you really excited to get a racist, corrupt, war-profiteer’s endorsement? Is the next article going to mention Putin backing Harris too? “Well sure he’s a tyrant waging a brutal war against our ally, but we need those people on our side too!”
What this really shows is Harris and the Democratic Party are far enough right that some republicans will be fine with her administration. Especially with so much of the rest of the branches captured by conservative ideology. How sad to think a pathetic nitwit like trump is all it takes to get y’all to join hands with fascist war-criminals in “solidarity”.
Remember that a full 80 years ago we accepted the support of literal Nazis to fight communism. Smuggled them out to avoid justice, installed them into our institutions, and wouldn’t ya know it they’re still fucking here. Organizing, marching in our streets, and often brushing shoulders with people just like Cheney. But hey, nearly a century of open nazism was worth it to beat the big, scary bad guys right? …right?
I do not concur. The earth moved yesterday with Dick Cheney’s endorsement (and Liz’ days before) NOT because any of us respect his horrific time as VP and in other ways he has served the Conservative movement and policies which many of us find abhorrent. But that such a figure of old-school Republicans would do such a thing is historical and definitely worth us all talking about. Liz Cheney also publicly supported Texan Colin Allred running against Ted Cruz for the U.S.Senate. This makes the first week of Sept 2024 a mind-blowing political moment perhaps akin to France and their recent election with a coalition formed between parties to subdue the rise of their radical right.
France is a great analogy for this but serves my point far better than yours…
Rather than nominate a prime minister from the party with the most seats, the leftist NFP (31%), Macron chose a right-wing republican (<7%), the major party with the least seats.
So essentially… he voluntarily called a snap election to please the far-right, who were poised to win. Despite him unnecessarily gambling the country with horrible odds, the left swooped in to save the country from fascists taking power. Then he turned his back on the popular will of the people and compromised with the fascists who’d just LOST rather than progressives who just WON.
Likewise, Harris will be happy to work closely with conservatives, accept their support and even nominate them to the her cabinet. She would sooner have a republican in her cabinet than any kind of real progressive.
I wouldn’t be so sure of that. Having Liz Cheney in the right post could produce lasting dividends. But it would be only fair to have a progressive in the right post also. What is the FTC chair considered to be?
I realize that’s not a Cabinet post, but if I’m thinking of the right person, she’s a true breath of fresh air. Plus don’t forget Walz is a progressive.
Well said. It's disgusting seeing people celebrate this warmonger's endorsement as if he isn't a big part of how we got Trump and the openly fascist right. I guess it just shows how far to the far right both parties have gone on foreign policy
I get all of this. I would suggest that maybe you re-read the four carefully worded paragraphs that I wrote, which in no way conflict with any of this.
You said it way better than I could have. Thank you.
So, we now confirmed, as you did earlier, that the stock was not only sold but the "non-woke" stock was purchased. I'm sure getting a clearer picture of that vacation home, the Alito's own jointly, separate from their personal residence, that Alito should not be deciding cases where Martha Ann, as if she is separate from her husband's self-arbitration, flies a Trump flag, of sorts, to block her lagoon view of a PRIDE FLAG, in cases concerning "woke" issues. We all know what those are to MAGA fans. It is stunning. Sometimes I wish I just didn't know or care to know. But that just isn't the kind of American I am.
Yeah, we knew from the periodic transaction report that he bought and sold those stocks on that date. The only part we didn’t know was whether he had sold all of his AB stock at that time. The report posted today confirmed that he had.
That’s amazing reporting, Chris. Thank you!
Amazing that it just happens right out in the open, again. "They", P25, HF, et al., want self governance over government for people, who, of course, agree to such an idea. Problem is self arbiters, even at the current SCOTUS depravity level, aren't held to account for their lack thereof. From my viewpoint, it wouldn't go well, based on the cumulative resistance, to deference. Thanks, Chris.
In a smaller way we had this debate on the other side of the pond a few weeks ago. The Labour Party and its leader Keir Starmer were castigated for attracting support from ex Tory politicians and rich donors as well as some SW media barons. Yet it was that support which demonstrated to those who feared that Starmer was too left wing that he was safe to vote for and thus release us from the clutches of the Tory party after 14 long years.
The stakes in the U.S. are obviously far higher. The Tories are both useless and corrupt but unlike Trump they do not pose an existential threat to western democracy. Desperate times call for desperate measures. The endorsement of a former Republican VP, however vile a history he has, may well persuade just enough voters in swing states that Harris is not a dangerous Commie and therefore safe to vote for.
In any event you can’t control who endorses you.
Your last sentence exactly captures it. I highly doubt Kamala asked Cheney for his endorsement, nor do I believe that Cheney finds any of Kamala's policies agreeable. I think it's literally just him not wanting to see democracy end and he's sharing publicly what he thinks that will take. The endorsement was given without input from Kamala, and it was clearly in Cheney's mind the lesser of two evils, rather than him endorsing her thinking she's just a great candidate
Your work is thorough and exemplary. Keep it up.
Before anyone congratulates Dick Cheney for endorsing Kamala, let's all take time to remember that he was a key architect of how we got Trump.
He thought Nixon was done wrong, never let it go, and was a hardcore proponent of expansive executive power.
Cheney helped get GWB elected and also decided he was the best candidate for Bush's VP while he led the search team for a VP.
Cheney lied to America about Saddam having WMD's (he didn't) and pushed hard and relentlessly for America to invade Iraq.
Cheney was a signatory to The Project for a New American Century, an obscure, small think tank that relentlessly pushed for America to invade a Middle East country with the naive position that doing so and planting the seeds of democracy would bring peace to the region. (Signatories include Donald Rumsfeld, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, John Bolton and others, all of whom including Cheney should have been indicted for war crimes).
Dick Cheney, as a result of his machiavellian work, is complicit and partially responsible for the deaths of thousands of American GI's and Iraqis, the grief of their families, and the trillions of dollars America has spent on the Iraqi war and will continue to spend on caring for the broken vets who fought there.
Dick Cheney is no hero.
Dick Cheney has done more damage to America than possibly any single person this century (next to Trump).
Dick Cheney doesn't get a pass now that he's finally woken up to the danger of Trump, someone for whom he was pivotal in laying the foundation for what will be seen as the worst president and administration in American history.
Dick Cheney's vote for Kamala is WAY too little. And WAY too late.
Cheney is not a 'hero' and this one act doesn't erase the rest. This isn't like saying confession on your death bed or something. He is not getting "a pass."
He is doing something many other Republicans are not doing. That both shows just how bad Trump is and how bad other Republicans are for not doing even this one thing.
I remember and lived thru the Bush43 presidency. I strongly opposed it at the time. I still congratulate him for this act.
I wouldn't want Dick Cheney's endorsement under any circumstances.
You can’t control who endorses you.
Yes you can, simply don’t be the party that fits Cheney’s values and he won’t endorse you. Those values of war-mongering, complacency to corporate interests, and poor public services/programs
That is ridiculous.
That is not what this endorsement is about, and you have to aggressively ignore everything outside of Dick Cheney in order to even write that.
You cannot run an election claiming that a person is unqualified for office and would be dangerous in office and then be upset when others agree with you who ordinarily would not be aligned with you.
Dick Cheney is not going to become a part of the Democratic Party; he's voting for Harris over Trump in a binary choice. Which is exactly what all who want Harris to win — or want Trump to lose — should want to see.
Firstly, let me say my comments have been a bit inflammatory and that is tied to my opinion on Cheney, not a disagreement on basic principles.
I get that it’s a binary choice and that is obviously a good starting point for analysis. However, I don’t think his endorsement is a neutral event. I don’t trust someone who was a beneficiary of Bush v. Gore when he says someone who used lies and violence to try and steal an election is too great a threat. He literally laid the groundwork for such a threat… Brooks Brothers riots involved the use of violence to shut down a recount. I’m sure you know the rest better than me so I won’t lecture you. Lastly, this is the guy who championed egregious lies as a pretext for waging a devastating war of which the consequences are beyond measure.
This isn’t an earth-shattering decision by Cheney, but neither is it something to roll your eyes and dismiss without a modicum of suspicion or skepticism.
Thanks for your work and I do appreciate you engaging the discussion.
Let's also remember the big stink people made when, in 2016, Trump accepted an endorsement by David Dukes. Is Dick Cheney, the war and torture monger who repeatedly lied about Saddam Hussein having WMD's, and who promoted "enhanced interrogations" any different? To this day, Gitmo stands as a monument to America's lies and to Dick Cheney's reign of terror. Scum is scum. And who wants that stink to rub off on them, especially in a historic race for the presidency? I'm disappointed in Chris' response. Harris does not need Cheney's endorsement.
Did Kamala actually officially accept Cheney's endorsement? Is there some statement of hers you can link me to?
Excuse me. I personally find Cheney to be the most repulsive excuse of a human being to ever be in politics, and if I were Harris, I would disavow his endorsement. Cheney can vote however he wishes, of course.
What purpose would that serve though? Only to nullify the effect Cheney might have had swaying voters in swing states to vote for her? Practically, why would that be a good strategy? It's like saying "no one who agrees with Cheney or likes him should vote for me". Why shouldn't they? We need to win this election by as big a margin as possibly to counter any attempts by Trump to overthrow the results. Why turn those voters away?
Because it makes her look desperate and lacking in principles. Already, the opportunistic Trump has responded by calling himself the "peace president." If you think that won't sway some people, you're naive.
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I don’t expect Dubya or Pence to come around!
Pence has already said back in March that he does not, will not, endorse the orange convict for President. He just hasn’t said he’ll vote for Kamala.
He probably voted for him. A lot of these morons such as Barr said they would not endorse him but then voted for him anyway. tRump is his bromance.
Barr said Trump should be nowhere near the Oval Office but he’d still vote for him. Pence refused to endorse him - why stick his neck out like that and then vote for the criminal in secret? Makes no sense
As much as I don't imagine him making a public statement, I can't imagine Pence is actually voting for the dude that called forth the mob that brought gallows for him 💀 I'm not even sure he's that nuts
Voting is private and Pence learned how to lie with the best in this and all possible universes.